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Posted 06/12/2020   9:34 pm  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Two nice NSW numeral cancellations currently bid up to $850 in Phoenix auction 81...

Lot 1114 South Corowa RRRRR

Lot 1116 East Guyong RRRRR

http://www.phoenixauctions.com.au/c...ckauction=81



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Posted 06/24/2020   7:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Some more information.

Numeral 954 Mount Murray. The illustration is an 1897 2d, but the office closed in 1879.

The office was only open for just under 5 months so a contemporaneous strike would need to be on an SG Wmk 36 stamp.

The numeral is rated RRRR so I wonder what stamps the other 2-5 strikes are on.

Looks like another reallocation to me.
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Posted 09/26/2021   07:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thread bumped, last post 1 year ago.


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FDS, your 201 is Burwood, not Rockhampton.


Bobby,
checking my catalogue status (1983)

I have 201, as ROCKHAMPTON and R BURWOOD
would this info been updated?
Am I out of date?


Also "Vittoria" is listed as an assumption, has this been verified?



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Posted 09/27/2021   01:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Rod,

Yes 201 was initially allocated to Rockhampton (two types, 2R20 & 2R21).

The numeral was reallocated to Burwood, for which there are 4 types, the last three are all rated common.

Vittoria is numeral 476, and is ridiculously rare. The 3R16 isn't even illustrated in Freeman. I am aware of four examples of the 4B type.

Hope this info helps!
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Thanks Bobby
R for Relocated missed that.

I only have the FREEMAN Compendium, and wondered if still relevant.
Obviously not as complete as what you have.

Hypothetical
Prior to 1913, would any state numeral be confused if struck on
another state's stamp.
Or, are all states numerals differing in design?

Ex: Numeral 325 appears on stamps of NSW, Queensland, Tasmania and Victoria.
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Posted 09/27/2021   01:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Freeman is the go-to reference, along with my findings I've posted here

Each state's numeral cancellations look different one from another, except the Queensland rays cancels that can be mistaken for NSW rays cancels.

See the note in Freeman on numeral 52 for Mungindi.

See also the 3R16 type in Freeman for numeral 131. I'm sure i've made mention of this one here. It can't be Wattle Flat. The numeral is definitely a 121 and I think it's a Queensland cancel.

I'm contacting Philas tomorrow to see if they can provide a scan of the NSW 121 3R16 numeral, along with the 3R16 for numeral 13.

Images of both are absent in Freeman and neither turned up in the Tamiami auction.

I have my suspicions on both.
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Posted 09/27/2021   02:31 am  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I'm contacting Philas tomorrow to see if they can provide a scan of the NSW 121 3R16 numeral, along with the 3R16 for numeral 13.

Images of both are absent in Freeman and neither turned up in the Tamiami auction.


Bobby De La Rue, an image of NSW 121 3R16 is in the second edition (2017) of Hugh Freeman's The Numeral Cancellations of New South Wales.
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I'm far from convinced about that image. It might be a 212 of Cannonbar, but in any event, it looks more like a 2R20 device to me.

Further, I have the 2R20 121 device on an 1867 cover, by which time the 3R16 device should've been in use for at least 3 years.
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Posted 09/27/2021   03:25 am  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's a shame that diadem has a double strike.

It seems unlikely that it is 212, given the lack of anything preceding the first '1'.

If it helps, this is a comparison of the supposed 131, inverted as 121, and the listed 121.


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Posted 09/27/2021   03:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If the strike on the 6d diadem is a 121 it's the 2R20. I have two other examples to compare, both on cover, but they won't scan well. Let me have a play around tomorrow and see what I can come up with.

Here's the link to the 121 of Clifton:

https://queenslandstampnumerals.blo...clifton.html

Absolutely superb site for collectors of Queensland numerals by the way!
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Posted 09/27/2021   03:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The two 212 scans I have archived, for comparison. There is the possibility of overinking I suppose.

Like I said, only a possibility that Hugh's is a 212. Much more likely a double strike of the 121.

The registered stamp is ex. Tamiami.




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Posted 09/27/2021   7:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The first image below is Hugh's 121 of Guyong, which he says is a 3R16. The stamp is a 6d violet diadem, perf. 13, which appeared in late 1864. This should point to the device being a 3R16, but it's obvious that most of the rays are dots, not dashes.

You'll notice I've circled a ray section that, if the device is a 121, has no business being there, unless it's an ink artifact. Interestingly, it corresponds quite nicely to the position in the 212 cancel shown above.



The following two images are the fronts of my 1860 and 1867 covers.





The following two images are extracts from the covers, showing better detail (which isn't saying much for the 1860 cover!).

It's clear in the 1867 cover that the rays are dots, consistent with a 2R20 device.






Click on the images for a larger view.
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Edited by Bobby De La Rue - 09/27/2021 7:29 pm
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Posted 09/28/2021   07:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Fascinating study, and sleuth work Bobby
As a newbie in this discipline, I can see your argument, and would support it.

How unusual is the 6d stuck on top of the penny ! Wow! that is extraordinary.

Those whom study postmarks, must wear disappointment armour.
It can drive one to distraction.
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Posted 09/28/2021   7:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Rod.

Yes, the NSW Stamp Duty 1d overlaid with the 6d diadem always makes me smile! The Glasson family are pioneers of the Guyong/Byng district.

Any time I think I've found something rare, I always look for every reason to prove it is something common. That said, the discoveries (when they do occur) outweigh the disappointments every time.

For numerals, it really is the thrill of the chase. You just can't go out and buy the rare ones like you can with stamps.

I contacted Philas but they are in lockdown of course. If I hear anything down the track I will report back.
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