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Posted 01/12/2018   5:55 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add revenuecollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I love me some Pacific Mail Steamship Co. cancels. They're loads of fun and always in demand ($50 at the low end, up into several hundred for the scarcer ships or more dramatic multi-strike pieces).

I gave a bit of a primer here in this post:

http://goscf.com/t/43579

In that post I showed a very rare multi-ship piece, with three strikes of ALASKA and four strikes of ARIZONA.




In that post I surmised that these were canceled at a central office, and because the two words look similar (both begin and end with the letter A, and are only one letter different in length), a clerk grabbed the wrong handstamp, realized their error, and then re-canceled with the correct handstamp.

Plausible. Uncertain, but plausible.

Well, I just acquired my second multiship example. I know full well that I overpaid for the piece, but I just had to have it. I've seen a total of three multiship examples in my revenue collecting lifetime, and I put these in the category of "if you see one, you'd better step up and buy it, because who knows when you will see another".

It has 2 strikes of the ship MONTANA and one of GREAT REPUBLIC.

The ship MONTANA is one of the more scarce Pacific Mail ships, even just as a single strike; I have only found one example in all my searching.

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Posted 01/12/2018   6:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add aug-stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Why are they Internal Revenue stamps, please?
Wasn't the mail supposed to bear regular postage stamps?
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Dan, do you have a theory on the multiship strikes?
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Posted 01/12/2018   7:01 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Wasn't the mail supposed to bear regular postage stamps?


These were not used on covers. They were used on documents, but to date we do not know which documents, as there are zero reported documents bearing these cancels.

Speculation as that they were used on passage tickets and as they all went overseas, that is why there have been none found.

A 1964 American Revenuer article on the subject:









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Dan, do you have a theory on the multiship strikes?


Well, as I mention above I thought I had a plausible explanation for the first one, but that doesn't fit the second one other then similar clerical error. Because there are no documents with these stamps on them, there is no way to gain context.
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Posted 01/13/2018   07:00 am  Show Profile Check 1typesetter's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 1typesetter to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe the ship's cargo was transferred from one vessel to another?
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To be able to better showcase and compare/contrast these cancels, I've added a new page to my website with the Pacific Mail straight-line handstamps in my collection:

https://revenue-collector.com/pacif...ancels.shtml

If anyone has any ships that I don't have examples of for sale or trade, please contact me.

Thanks.
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Posted 01/14/2018   07:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add therevenueman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is interesting to me how much really good research gets published in The American Revenuer. Sometimes I was they would go back and reprint a few of the articles from the past.
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You regular Revenue collectors most likely already know that the American Revenue Association has a research page with quite a few downloadable articles, but for those that didn't, look under Research.

The back issues of the quarterly journal are available from 1967 to 1982.

http://www.revenuer.org/
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Posted 01/25/2018   3:06 pm  Show Profile Check 1typesetter's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 1typesetter to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Don't know if this clears up any issue of the multi-ship strikes, but it does appear that cargo and/or passengers transfer between ships:

http://cprr.org/Museum/Ephemera/Pac...ship_Co.html
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Posted 01/25/2018   3:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rustyc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very cool and interesting site. Thanks, 1typesetter.
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TY for this post. I always love to learn something new...
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Posted 02/17/2018   2:23 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've been thinking a bit more about the Pacific Mail Steamship Co. straight line cancels and the fact that zero have been found on documents. There are certainly enough of the cancels out there. It's not like some of the ultra-rare fancy cancels where only 1 or 2 examples of the cancel have ever been reported.

The notion that the reason is because they were all sent overseas on passage tickets, etc. rings a bit hollow. If that is the case, then how did so many of the stamps find their way back? Given the populations out there, one would expect at least one on document to have surfaced in the last 150 years.

Speculation: Is it possible that these are manufactured creations perpetrated by some unnamed enterprising 19th century stamp dealer, similar to all of the freak perforations created the person who purchased the surplused perforating equipment?... the fake violet and black "Used for 50 cent stamp" 2-line handstamps with fleur de lis ornaments applied to 25 cent stamps and phony 50-cent bisects on and off documents in the early 20th century...

I just find it so hard to believe that no examples on document have been found when there are so many of the stamps about.
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