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1c 1851 Plate 4 Stamps

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Posted 09/12/2020   7:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Njs - that's a really nice example of the type. Thanks for posting that.
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Posted 09/12/2020   7:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Njs900 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I bought this sad torn thing for a pittance but had a hard time plating it as a defining mark is a horizontal scratch through the hair. It turned out to be 23L4 where the scratch shows in several copies in Doporto but is not shown in Neinken. I have marked my book and recommend you do the same.

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Posted 09/13/2020   10:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My sincere thanks to txstamp and Njs900 for the previous discussion concerning Type Ic. I learned a great deal from two true experts.
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Posted 09/13/2020   1:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Njs900 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree on 32R4 for Widglo's stamp.
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Posted 09/13/2020   3:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add widglo46 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I plated one more stamp from plate 4 this morning. This one didn't take too long because there aren't that many "B" relief positions that are type III. The scratch across the top of the plate clinched the position as 15L4.

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Posted 09/13/2020   7:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
widglo, I'm very impressed with the quality of the stamps you post.
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Posted 09/13/2020   11:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add widglo46 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the compliment, Dudley.

I have another Plate 4 stamp (type IIIa) that has 3 PF certs stating it is position 35L4. The earliest cert (PF#155231) is from a pair identified as 35-36L4. The right stamp being a Type III. I don't really know how they arrived at this plating decision because I don't think my stamp really matches the Neinken diagram for 35L4. The dot next to the right lower plume had me thinking it was a 37L4, but that would have made the right stamp in the original pair a 38L4, and I don't think that is correct.



I've included an image of the right stamp from a Siegel sale if that helps.
If the PF is correct it is a 36L4.
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Posted 09/14/2020   09:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Njs900 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Widglo, I agree that your stamp is not 35L4. It is too short at A and B and elsewhere on the left side.

Can you send a 1200 dpi scan. The 200kb limit here makes plating difficult.
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Posted 09/14/2020   10:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
On 32R4 vs 72R4, here is a key differentiator:

32R4 has a very weak ornament H1.
72R4 has a much stronger ornament H1.
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Posted 09/14/2020   2:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add widglo46 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I just took another 2400dpi scan of my #22, and I am chagrined to confess that the dot I was seeing next to the right plume is no longer there. I thought I was keeping my scanner pretty clean, but obviously, not clean enough for plating purposes. Sorry to waste everyone's time.

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Posted 09/17/2020   11:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ty II, #7, Position 8L4.
A top row plate 4 stamp.

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Posted 09/23/2020   12:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jaxom100 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I need some help with this stamp. It appears to be a plate 4 relief C (looking at the lower right plume). The blue cancel makes it very difficult to determine what is cancel and what is stamp ink. There may be a plate crack at upper left shown on the enlarged image. The last image shows a couple of possible plate marks.



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Posted 09/23/2020   2:21 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely not a Plate 4 stamp.
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Posted 09/23/2020   9:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Caper123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Sinclair. What led you to your conclusion that it was from Plate 4?
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Posted 09/24/2020   12:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jaxom100 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I was just looking at the short right plume but I see that some plate 2 have a short plume as well.
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