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Posted 08/17/2018   6:53 pm  Show Profile Check ray.mac's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ray.mac to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nowhere near the stamp that rlsny posted, but a couple of years ago this was my most exciting purchase, when a fairly well known dealer that I had pointed out a few times that he had something misidentified to his disadvantage (he said he didn't have time and didn't care). So I jumped on this one for $129 described as a Type IIIa, and Winston had it plated before I received it....94L4, Type Ia...



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Posted 08/17/2018   7:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Ray, good going.
Ty Ia's are tough stamps to get, and are always fun to see.
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Posted 08/17/2018   8:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stampman2002 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not sure if any of these will help the plating specialists, but here's what I have. If I have the position, I'll state it, otherwise, I'm not sufficiently versed in the intricacies of plating these to be much help.

The first one is Scott 9.




The next one I'm not sure about. I feel the side ornaments are more complete than Type V and tentatively have this as Scott 21, but that's open for debate.





The remainder of these are Scott 24, I believe.

Next is one of my favorites in this group. It is unused, no gum, Scott 24. Position is 78L10. APEX certificate follows:





The next copy is a straddle pane example.




The next stamp is faded, but I loved the 1860 dated cancellation.



The next stamp is well centered with a nice bars cancel.



This stamp attracted my attention with three nice margins and light cancel.



The last single stamp is this one with a great blue cancel.




Now for the covers.

First up is a nice little cover. I particularly liked the 1861 dated cancel and lightly applied circle of bars killer, as well as the petite size of the cover.




The next cover used three one cent stamps to pay the three cent postage to mail this cover.




The final item is a very attractive, at least to me, carrier rate cover using Scott 24 and Scott 26.




Hope some of these help with the plating guides.
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Posted 08/17/2018   11:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stampman, the second stamp you posted is definitely #24, not #21. The fact that the right-side ornaments have a high degree of completion suggests Type Va (in fact, I think 41R5 is a promising candidate). The very wide breaks in both top and bottom frame lines are a giveaway for Type V/Va.
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Posted 08/18/2018   10:24 am  Show Profile Check ray.mac's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ray.mac to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stamp #6 is an A relief top row, and I'm pretty sure it's Plate 8...has that look.

Just can't make out the differences between the cancel and any other markings on the left.

I have all of the A reliefs on Plate 8 (THANKS, DUDLEY!), so if you can send me a better image, I'll ID that one for you. I would have guessed 1L8, but it's missing a mark right next to the "U" ornament, which would easily ID that position.

If you want to send me a msg through the site, I'll get my email address back to you....Ray
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Posted 08/18/2018   10:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Now I know where all the 1c stamps went. Kidding

#9 is pretty - A relief recut once at top and bottom.

The Balto-Paid blue cancel has always been a favorite of mine. Its Baltimore, and is often found on single 1c stamps on cover - what I can't remember is if it was more prevalent on drop letters or printed matter. Both were 1c, but I don't know if there was a specific intent for that cancel. I have a feeling it was for one or the other - or both based upon how I've seen it used.

The Cleveland drop letter is nice and I'm guessing will be a 10L column stamp based upon a recent discussion we had about imperforate centerlines.

Nice clean covers are fun, when you can find them, and the Portland Maine cover certainly fits that bill. The Boston carrier is nice too.
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Posted 08/21/2018   12:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For the stamp that is #21/#24 - it is 41R7.

That is Ty V #24.

Ornaments L M and N are a bit short for the corresponding Plate 5 position, and the blur across the bottom agrees well with a reference 41R7 below.


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Posted 08/25/2018   12:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
60R4?


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Posted 08/26/2018   07:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jaxom100 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like a good match with 60R4.
It has the F relief flaw and the 3 plating marks shown for 60R4 look good.
There does look like a sealed tear at the bottom left.
Beautiful stamp.
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Posted 08/28/2018   6:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Njs900 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Your 60R4 matches my torn 60R4.


It is from a vertical strip of 5 and is great for reference. The 100R4, type 1A is not damaged.


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Posted 08/29/2018   2:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
njs - that's quite a strip.

Any multiple greater than 3 from Plate 4, either perforated or imperforate is a scarce item.
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Posted 08/29/2018   3:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Njs900 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Even torn?
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Posted 08/29/2018   3:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I said scarce, not valuable. Its still scarce.

Being pen cancelled circa 1857 it may have been used at a smaller PO.
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Posted 08/31/2018   11:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Douglas Andrew Willinger to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Some Plate 4 1 cent Franklins, no doubts to their positions:






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Posted 09/04/2018   11:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Douglas, you sure have a very nice imprint collection. Those are tough items to find from plate 4.

Here's a challenge for you - find an imperforate Plate 4 imprint.
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