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1c 1851 Plate 4 Stamps

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Posted 12/04/2018   10:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Caper123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Jaxom, what do you think of this stamp listed on eBay now. They list it as a Sc 21. I believe it is a 22, type IIIa, plate 11 or 12.


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Posted 12/04/2018   11:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, that 7L4 is amazing. If its sound, that is. If so, then the sale price was cheap.

Top row imperforate plate 4 stamps that look like that, and are sound, are top-shelf items.
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Posted 12/04/2018   11:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
caper - you are correct.

That is an A relief from Plate 11, and I don't believe for a second that there is a real break, or one large enough in the bottom line to qualify as a III. Its a IIIA. The apparent bottom-line (BL) break could simply be design scraped off intentionally, or accidentally - or neither, and simply be an optical illusion. Without seeing that stamp in person, I'd call it a IIIA, BL complete.
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Posted 12/04/2018   12:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jaxom100 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree that it is a type IIIa. The perforating may have caused the small break. Even so, I do not think that small of a break would qualify for a III.
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Posted 12/09/2018   7:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jaxom100 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a full sheet of plate 4 left pane from the Ashbrook Photos, just missing the selvedge. The sheet image is approximately 1200dpi. This copy is about 150dpi (colorized).
It is hard to imagine what this sheet would be worth today.

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Posted 12/21/2018   8:11 pm  Show Profile Check rlsny's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think this is a type II, Scott 20, but have a look please.




(apologies for posting as a separate topic - just got my signals crossed - I've mailed the admin to delete that.)
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Posted 12/21/2018   8:18 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, but from Plate 12 not 4.
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Posted 12/21/2018   8:22 pm  Show Profile Check rlsny's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OK, that confuses me - being completely novice in 1c Franklins, I had the impression all type IIs were plate 4. I see it now in Scott. Cool beans. Thanks.
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Posted 12/21/2018   8:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Top row A relief plate 12. Ty II.
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Posted 12/21/2018   9:55 pm  Show Profile Check rlsny's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks. Much appreciated. I've gone through the plate 12 L relief A images, and no match. So, plate 12 Right it would seem.
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Posted 12/21/2018   10:50 pm  Show Profile Check ray.mac's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ray.mac to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I had the impression all type IIs were plate 4. I see it now in Scott. Cool beans. Thanks.


Just completed my quest this past summer to collect a Type II from every possible plate.... 1E, 1L, 2, 3, 4, 11 and 12.

Not that difficult-- I bought a horrible copy of 5L4, and was fortunate to purchase a 4R1L from Mr. Sinclair.

Where I was really fortunate was that Dudley noticed a plate mark on my Plate 11 that confirmed it as 10R11, so I've got copies from all 7 plates that are plated, which isn't as easy....I've never exhibited in our local show here in Nashville, but this one might just make a decent 1-framer!
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Posted 12/21/2018   11:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gettinold to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi

I know nothing about plating or identifying plate positions on stamps. General question regarding perf errors on this type of stamp for the forum. I've read that perf errors during this early period were common. Is the stamp below Scott 24?




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Posted 12/22/2018   12:02 am  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, Scott #24 from the bottom row. Most perf issues that I have seen happened on the bottom rows of the sheet. They are certainly plentiful but encountered infrequently enough to make them interesting.
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Posted 12/22/2018   12:07 am  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What you could probably say is rare, are double horizontal perfs.
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Posted 12/22/2018   12:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stamps_82 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
E Relief Positions 83, 84, 85L4

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