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Posted 02/13/2018   3:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Eiger to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Edited. Of course there's no stamp it was before stamps started Oops
Very interesting nevertheless

This is a letter quaintly folded into an envelope and posted. There's a postal cancellation Newbury, 1835 and the letter is hand written and dated 18th November 1835.
There's what appears to be a handwritten 'sign'.
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Posted 02/13/2018   4:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What ! The first stamp dates from 1840,and your cover looks like 1845
stampless cover with manuscript rate.Stampless cover were common in this
period of transition to stamped covers in all countries.
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Posted 02/13/2018   4:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Eiger to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's definitely 1835 both as the hand written date inside and the Newbury cancellation. Yes of course the first stamp was 1840 I forgot :)
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Hi Eiger,

If this is 1835 then it's before the introduction of the uniform penny post and the first postage stamps in 1840.

Newbury to Hungerford is about 10 miles or so.

I believe the relevant rate in 1835 would have been 4d for up to 15 miles so I guess the handwritten mark is "4".


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Posted 02/13/2018   4:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Eiger to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Nigel! It's such lovely handwriting. And considering how old it is in such good condition. A lovely edition to my collection of very old QV bits and pieces
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Posted 02/13/2018   4:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Eiger to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interestingly 'Envelopes were rarely used prior to 1840 as this would be considered a second item of paper and thus invoke a double rate charge'
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Posted 02/13/2018   4:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, that's a good point, and even fourpence would have been a significant expense for ordinary folk to pay.
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Posted 02/13/2018   8:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes rated 4d. Postal clerk's handwriting in those times often leaves a lot to be desired.
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Posted 02/13/2018   11:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add aug-stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"fourpence would have been a significant expense for ordinary folk to pay"

On this one, I suspect the payment was made by the recipient, on delivery ...
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Posted 02/14/2018   01:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Eiger to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes that's right in those days the receiver paid the postage.
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Posted 02/14/2018   03:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This letter would not fit in a QV collection as she took the throne in 1837.
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Posted 02/14/2018   07:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Eiger to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
well, my early collection :)
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Given the volume of mail and that rates were normally handwritten at that time postal clerks developed stylized versions of numbers that could be written exceptionally fast such as this one that is not much more than a squiggle. After some practice they are easier for an ordinary person to decipher. Especially the ones that have fractional rates where a 1/2 can be written in one quick continuous squiggle.
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