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Another expensive misrepresentation...Scott 544-what do you think?  
 

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Posted 11/07/2018   9:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Reedededge to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
https://www.ebay.com/itm/US-Scott-5...AOSw9V9b2qyr

I wish there was a way to message the poor eBay bidder who thinks they have just filled a key space in their album, only to find out (after the 2 week return expires, of course), to the contrary. My concerns to the seller went unanswered.


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Posted 11/07/2018   10:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add No1philatelist to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am not knowledgable about that stamp to even determine what it really is as I am not a big us collector.

I don't thik the bidder is too worried, watch the final. It will be interesting. If you check out the bidders account you will see he was in on two items only and a retraction of previous bid is a good indication it is only a shill bid.

Mike
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Posted 11/07/2018   10:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Reedededge to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am curious, Mike....how did you find out the bidder's history? I only see a zero-feedback bidder, but with no mention of who exactly he/she is. Nor can I see their retracted bid.

Rob L.
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Posted 11/07/2018   10:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redwoodrandy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Click on the i*** next to the (0) for bidder history.
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Edited by redwoodrandy - 11/07/2018 10:43 pm
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Posted 11/07/2018   10:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add No1philatelist to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Redwoodandy- you got it! Thanks.

Mike

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Posted 11/07/2018   11:14 pm  Show Profile Check cfrphoto's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add cfrphoto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The stamp is a tall rotary sheet stamp, perf 11 on all sides. What could go wrong?

1. No cert.
2. Low feedback seller
3. No back image.
4. Is the stamp an altered Scott 542?
5. The image may be from an auction site or an eBay listing.
6. Item specifics are populated - red flag if inexperienced seller.
7. Seller location.



What is the likelihood that PayPal will find some excuse not to refund the money if the stamp is significantly not as described (SNAD)?

Two bad listings are also out there. A slightly less expensive listing of a 498 as a 544:



And a "544" listing with a 3 cent bank note stamp image. Other listings are more expensive and show or mention certificates.

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Edited by cfrphoto - 11/07/2018 11:18 pm
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Posted 11/07/2018   11:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add uboatnut to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Are all 3 sellers just dumb bunnies or are they simply bunny-hunting?

Or are they actually one devious bunny using 3 IDs?

Only The Shadow knows ...........
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Edited by uboatnut - 11/07/2018 11:34 pm
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Posted 11/07/2018   11:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Batessa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think a lot of this is laundering money!!!
I watch stamps on eBay and I scratch my head at how something can go for $5 while the same scott stamp # goes for $100 and to me they looked exactly the same and were both LH - I wonder.....Am I that stupid I can't see the difference??? Why would one go for $5 and the other go for $100.
I've also pretty much given up on catalog value. Does anything really sell for that? How does Mystic stay in business? I look at the prices on some stamps and it so off.
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Posted 11/07/2018   11:50 pm  Show Profile Check cfrphoto's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add cfrphoto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Please keep in mind that the listing pointed out by the OP could be the real deal, but without in-person inspection or a valid certificate, the odds may favor the seller instead of the buyer. The visual difference between the first listing and the 498 listing should be apparent to a philatelist or anyone with experience looking carefully at stamps.
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Posted 11/08/2018   12:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DrewM to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
6. Item specifics are populated - red flag if inexperienced seller.
7. Seller location.

What do these mean? Can you elaborate?
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Posted 11/08/2018   08:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Reedededge to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I've also pretty much given up on catalog value. Does anything really sell for that?


Sound, VF stamps routinely sell for full catalog or more (just check any recent Siegel sale), HOWEVER most of the stamps in the marketplace are a long way from VF and just as few are 100% sound....hence the discounting.
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Posted 11/08/2018   09:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Al E. Gator to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
#544 (certified), #498 and #542 for comparison. Without certification, it's risky at best to buy without an in-hand examination.

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Posted 11/08/2018   11:04 am  Show Profile Check cfrphoto's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add cfrphoto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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What do these mean? Can you elaborate?


6. Few unsophisticated stamp sellers use Item Specifics. Stamp dealers and experienced part-time stamp sellers often ignore item specifics, in part because of the amount of work needed to populate them. Some of the predefined values offered by eBay are illiterate or don't conform to commonly used stamp terminology. Like the King's English, terminology as defined in the Scott catalog should be used when describing United States Stamps. It was surprising to see fully populated item specifics from a new seller. The attempt to appear unsophisticated fell short.


7. While not definitive, other eBay user names from the same location have offered outstandingly bad listings. The irony is that this listing may not be as bad as implied by the OP. Also, a notorious stamp dealer believed to alter stamps, lurks in the nearby.
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Posted 11/08/2018   12:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ajuchum to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The original stamp in this thread was definitely not VF-XF and it was not a flag cancel.
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Posted 11/08/2018   4:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Reedededge to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
When the above listing image is scaled down, the stamp design does not appear to be the correct proportions (19 x 22mm) for #544, which is no great surprise. I also feel better knowing that the bidder was most probably not legitimate.
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Posted 11/08/2018   6:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Reedededge to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The seller on eBay finally responded to me, albeit after-the-fact:
"Well since you did not bye the item I don't think I need to answer any of your questions as I feel like your harassing me right now so do us both the favor and exit yourself from my stuff. Thank you"
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