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Posted 12/05/2018   12:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hoosierboy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Greetings StampTruth and welcome to the group and back to our wonderful hobby.

Your first note is right on target. Yes, most stamps including those produced almost solely for the benefit of their producers and sellers, command very little after market value. Those that were actually produced for general postage use fair somewhat better especially when on cover or piece documenting their postal validity.

The economics of business in general dictate that a dealer has to be able to acquire a steady inventory of merchandise at a cost that permits resale at sufficient profit to justify there efforts. That said, very few stamps fall into this select range of commercial viability.

However, the average collector gain as much pleasure working through inexpensive stamps as those of more commercial value. It is the mindset of the collector that comes into play at this point. Is collecting a hobby pastime or a project for economic gain? My old long time friend Ray said it best many years ago. "The money I put into stamps is the money I would have spent on beer and cigarettes if I chose to do so. End the end my collection has provided me with many hours of pleasure leaving behind stamps saved for future generations to enjoy a lot more than a pile of empty cigarette wrappers and beer cans." Years ago I was fortunate enough to be the person becoming the next stewart of his treasures when he closed his albums.

Again welcome back to the hobby and above all else enjoy it.

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Posted 12/05/2018   1:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry would of responded sooner but the RED HEADS were making a rack-it by my back door they want me to come out and give them their treats .Will respond later after a run to McDucks for Ice coffee and then a run back ,6 miles round trip .

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Posted 12/06/2018   09:54 am  Show Profile Check KRelyea's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add KRelyea to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Life's not fair, you get Sand Hill Cranes & I get fire ants and alligators and humbled at Siegels.
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Posted 12/06/2018   12:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StampTruth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Apologies to everyone for not responding directly to your posts. It feels a bit overwhelming. I am a non-shy introvert who tends to experience social anxiety.

My brain freezes when trying to respond. I am anything but a "conditionista." The excessive placement of importance on stamp condition is a hassle. We shouldn't get rattled so much when seeing nibbled perfs or creases. But if we wish to ever sell, condition is extremely important and cannot be denied. What is at debate is how inflated are catalog values. The way pricing is calculated from them is fine. And I know this is inexact and often subjective, but it's always been how memorabilia is part and parcel of commerce. If the c.v.'s are over or under-inflated, everything after that will also be off.

My problem with regumming and reperfs for two examples are that those shenanigans are criminal. If stamps did not have monetary value, then it wouldn't matter. If a correction can never be hidden, then fine, say with those weird horizontal narcotic stamps. They were too wide and easily broke. But reperfs? No way should those ever be done.

At some point I would like to figure out how to fix a few spots on nice stamps using I suppose peroxide. I see nothing wrong with fixing stamps that way.

I don't care if mint stamps pre-1940 have hinge marks. I'd rather they have pristine original gum, but they'd better not have fake gum. That is fraud. And if we don't know what we have, how are we supposed to get a fair deal from stamp dealers if we can't stomach opening up stores? Most people are not going to want to sell their stamps as amateur dealers. So there is a disconnect between those profiting over stamps versus those in it for a love of the game who do not want to be ripped off. And this is why the numbers are dropping. There are better ways to get taken for a ride. Movie sales are down. Cable news isn't doing all that swell anymore. The world is changing rapidly. I'd say more on that, but we are living in the age of censorship and most forums have rules against political speech. I will not debate too many people on the internet because of that. It sucks that we end up having to deal with the negative people rather than kindred spirits. I learned a lot by perusing the archives, however. I'm not retracting that part either. I have a good sense on what's going on and anyone else can too if they persevere. Again, none of this is rocket science.

I agree with people here that we don't know how to calculate the state of stamps in regards to current and future. It sure is fun to speculate?

I think with all the technology, we should be able to if need be scan in our stamps and then software tells us which variation we have if possible. Say there are those little variations with Washington stamps with togas or height of stamps, etc.. Then we should be able to more easily know what we have. Then there'd be no need for irrelevant please tell me if my common stamps are worth anything threads. There are a lot of broken record url's going on all over the internet in which lazy people ask stamp folks if they've got anything good.

Oftentimes the newbies are asking about the precise sort of stamp I bundle up for storage and not for show.

I primarily use two websites. I think one of them is on this forum's ban list, but I'm not sure. That one lists variations. They make it easy to identify stamps even if the year isn't available. There are drop boxes in which one can fill in denomination and stamp genre to whittle it down. If you have the catalog number, that can be plugged in for a search option. Make stamping easier and not a ripoff, and the sport will recover. I guarantee it.

That will save the hobby. If folks can easily figure out what they have and what the c.v. is, we can all take it from there.

The problem of how to sell a collection is much more complex and I am not ready to tackle that issue. I am in accumulation mode. I am separating stamps valued at the minimum 25-30 cents from all other stamps. My filler are alleged 58 cent stamps according to Stampworld. I am not rich enough to let them go. I collect starting at the tier above the lowest of common stamps. I use sheets without gaps and empty spaces as with old school albums. I have formed my own system. If those 50 cent stamps are not nice as in condition, I do not keep them. I do not keep many stamps with flaws. I am picky. It does get more confusing the higher the stamp value. I do agree with the common rule to not collect damaged or most stamps with flaws. Maybe I am too fixated on condition, but I recommend that kind of philately over just keeping anything. We all share the basics. We either keep stamps to showcase or bundle. We are at different levels for disposable income and time to spend on stamps, but in general we are experiencing very similar events and emotions.

I am pretty good now at "picking" through collections. I can see what is probably worth more usually from the eye test alone. So in the last couple days, I pretty much have isolated all the top stamps sent. After those, it gets more difficult and time consuming to find quality. With what's left, there are many more common stamps to fish through and condition is not as consistent. If I was a stamp dealer, I'd basically be onto looking through a new batch.

Last night I started pulling some San Marino mints. They are only valued at 30 cents, but the print runs were very low with some under 100,000. They cannot be called common stamps although they could be labelled as very inexpensive.

I heard that Maria Sharapova is into stamps but then she took it back. Apparently her public relations person or agent told her to deny she is one of us stamp nerds. Stamps are amazing, no doubt about it. So right there we have a rich famous, young tennis player woman with the stamp bug. Stamps in themselves are not the problem.

I could see common stamps as pure fun if someone looks at them akin to jigsaw puzzles. But then they should be priced as such.

I am able to dispose some decent but modest money. I quit cigarettes, so that is saving me approximately $130/month that can be spent on stamps. It's the stamps that matter, so I have stopped buying fancy binders. The last few years had me putting together a two album worldwide collection. I have two $30 old school albums, but next time I collate everything, I will use cheap binders. The stamps need to stand, so I will house them in preservation stock sheets and then in binders. I am back to accumulating. I want to pick through lots and be sort of like a poor man's floortrader. I don't need to fill the back seat of a car. But in general, he had the right idea. It takes work to break down a big batch of philatelic material. It's a lot of fun. No one is going to get the bug if stamps are a ripoff which they obviously were. Now they seem to be more fair. They are in video poker territory rather than slot machines. This is buy low time. This is a rebirth for stamps. They will never go away.

Treasure hunts can save stamps. I often end up with free supplies from the lots. My next big decision to make is how much more accumulating to do. It's not worth it to keep updating the collection. I went from making one album only to have to update it to a two album collection. I hunt for collection worthy stamps pulled from the accumulations I buy creating my own specialised accumulation. I keep inventory, so it will not be impossible to at some point put it all together. But to keep turning accumulations into albums feels like constantly moving furniture in the sitcom. This is a controlled accumulation.

I wouldn't be so into this if prices hadn't dropped. Stamps are meant to be in good condition. To save the hobby, people need to feel it is not some form of money pit. I don't regret all the time I "wasted" in life on video games or jigsaws, but I want my stamps to be worth something when all is said and done.

Prices have dropped and hoarding by the stamp leaders can become counter-productive. The materials will eventually rot if not stored properly. That's the vibe I'm getting. It feels much easier and not cost prohibitive to go a hunting.

Stamps are fun. There will always be millions of people into them. Maybe someday it will not be as expensive to ship them overseas or people from other countries can come here and buy my collection. We will cut out the people who expect us to pay a premium on the hobby while covering their rent and food budgets. Maybe stamp dealers can start go fund me pages. I'm not going to be a chump this time like I was as a teenager. Like I said, we need a stamp revolution.

No, I'd rather not pay anyone $40 for a $50 stamp and then sell it back to one of them for $5.

That was the main point of this blog entry. No one wants to get ripped off.
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Edited by StampTruth - 12/06/2018 12:59 pm
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Posted 12/06/2018   1:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Richard Frajola to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am surprised to see the explanation above. "I am pretty good now at "picking" through collections. I can see what is probably worth more usually from the eye test alone."

Congratulations, you must be a quick study! - it took me many years as an auction lot describer going through collections and pulling only those items of sufficient value, quality and demand that would make individual auction lots and then seeing the auction results to see if my selections were correct.

I always confess that I do not know the difference in value between a stamp worth 1c and a stamp worth $100. However, I do (or did) know most all of the stamps that have a real value, at a real auction, of $250 or more.

When a professional is asked to value a collection, all they usually count are the "money" stamps. The rest is valued as bulk paper.
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Posted 12/06/2018   5:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ikeyPikey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
... I think with all the technology, we should be able to if need be scan in our stamps and then software tells us which variation we have if possible ...


Once upon a time, there was a discussion ...

http://goscf.com/t/42279 ... That Killer App

... that talked about, among other things, automated stamp recognition.

The arguments against the feasibility of automated stamp recognition seem a little passe now that we are in the age of automated facial recognition.


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... there are those little variations with Washington stamps with togas or height of stamps ...


You would need to include a reference object in the scan against which to measure the stamp and, of course, the killer app would need to recognize that object.

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey
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Posted 12/06/2018   7:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
When the stamps identity is determined by it's color, how will this killer app fare?
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Posted 12/06/2018   7:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ikeyPikey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Probably one of those great questions that should be addressed back in that thread, but I think that most of us would be content to have a list of recognized color varieties, and examples of the recognized color varieties.

In numerous places, we've discussed the problems with digital color, including varieties of scanners, aging of your scanner, what you see on one screen versus another, etc.

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey
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Posted 12/06/2018   11:46 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"Last night I started pulling some San Marino mints. They are only valued at 30 cents, but the print runs were very low with some under 100,000. They cannot be called common stamps"

Few were used, many were saved by collectors, thus they are indeed common.
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Posted 12/07/2018   02:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add scb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:

"Last night I started pulling some San Marino mints. They are only valued at 30 cents, but the print runs were very low with some under 100,000. They cannot be called common stamps"

Few were used, many were saved by collectors, thus they are indeed common.


It's a matter of perspective; nothing more, nothing less. If the yardstick are stamps with print run of 5-100 million copies, then 100K print run feels small (0.02-2%). If the yardstick is "auction rarity" (<100 known copies), then print run of 100K feels excessive.


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Posted 12/07/2018   1:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"The rest is valued as bulk paper "---Really ......There are many philatelic experts that I don't like or get along with ,even make fun of them to their face . That is a example of one type of those so call professional .
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Posted 12/07/2018   10:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StampTruth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Auction houses don't seem too bright if they are not valuing stamps under $250. A lot of those can fit into a collection and add up.
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Posted 12/08/2018   10:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StampTruth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The San Marino stamps with low print runs weren't made with the best materials. They tend to also be a bit tacky. But I selected the best I could see with the lowest print runs because I am not a rich man who can simply order for new stamps. I either struggle with the diminishing returns or there are no more stamps for me to work on for another month or two. I can only imagine the possibilities for Sharapova and all her money. If I was rich, I'd buy in incredible bulk ala the floor trader packing his vehicle and then I'd razzle and dazzle my way through it not pacing myself like now because I can't afford to buy more so quickly.

So at the beginning I am adding tons of items to my accumulation, but then after that it gets increasingly difficult to pluck out stamps with value. The few San Marinos I have saved from oblivion are definitely worth that charity 30 cents. If there are only 100,000 copies of a stamp, I am pretty sure someone would be willing to buy them or not mind flipping the page to my better stuff. I don't know about print runs for Malta, but that is another tough location in which to find stamps valued above 30c. I'm working on Sweden this morning. They have some miserable stamps, too.

I have no clue what's wrong with the auctions why they seem so out of touch with regular people. I have for example two nice mint copies of a Bishop Lombardo from Vatican City. There were only 150,000 made and they value at approximately $60 each. And those are just two of my stamps. If auction houses have no use for such "bulk paper," I have no use for them and neither does the hobby, imho. They are vultures and hoarders? One can search the internet and notice a lot of scandals centered around them.

But nothing seems to ever change. One guy is getting persecuted for committing acts of journalism. Meanwhile a bunch of other people seem to be committing fraud by altering stamps yet continue to roam free. Few people can handle the truth or it's simply not allowed to be spoken.
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Posted 12/08/2018   10:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ikeyPikey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
... the auctions why they seem so out of touch with regular people. I have for example two nice mint copies of a Bishop Lombardo from Vatican City. There were only 150,000 made and they value at approximately $60 each ...


Worth zero to me. I don't collect Vatican, and would not want to ... does that mean that the auction houses are in touch with me?


Quote:
... One can search the internet and notice a lot of scandals centered around them ...


Dozens of auction houses, holding hundreds of auctions, selling millions of stamps.

If you could not find scandals, I'd worry.

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey
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Posted 12/08/2018   3:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StampTruth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You make no sense at all unless you are a shill for the auction houses.
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