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Posted 12/05/2018   8:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add gettinold to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
As I understand it, the term Surcharge denotes a change in the face value of a stamp. Overprint on the other hand is anything and everything else added to the stamp. If a Surcharge doesn't actually change the value of a stamp but merely contains a different language version of the original denomination is it considered a Surcharge or an Overprint? The French Morocco Stamp below is 10 Centimos on a 10 Centimes Stamp. Wouldn't this be considered an Overprint?



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Posted 12/05/2018   8:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Opinion : Surcharge.
The value reads similar, but the relative values may differ.
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Edited by rod222 - 12/05/2018 8:59 pm
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Posted 12/05/2018   9:20 pm  Show Profile Check Petert4522's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A surcharge could also be an additional amount charged over the regular amount of a stamp. In the Netherlands I used to sell stamps with a surcharge for the Red Cross, children's welfare etc. Here in the US the Breast Cancer stamp has a surcharge?

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Posted 12/05/2018   9:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gettinold to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your help. The terminology in the hobby isn't always clear cut. I understood with exchange rates considered, actual value of centime could differ from centimos. I was approaching the question of the value 10/100. Perhaps this wasn't the proper approach. I have to agree Surcharge is likely the most appropriate description.
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Posted 12/05/2018   11:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Your stamp in Scott is listed as "Stamps of France surcharged in Red or Black"

I follow the Scott regime, if it lists as a surcharge, I copy.
I find it useful in a country, if I get a packet of stamps some with surcharges,
I can quickly bring up all my surcharges with a "surch" text string.
Then I know if I have the stamp, and how it compares quality wise.

AskPhil :

Surch.: abbreviation for surcharge, overprint.
Surcharge:
1: an overprint which changes the denomination of a stamp either up or down.
2: Universal Postal Union language is additional fee.
3: used on Britain and British Colonies issues may mean postage due.
4: can change a regular definitive stamp into a semi-postal stamp, or regular issue to an air mail issue.
5: zuschlag (Ger.).

Surcharge Postage: Grenada, Trinidad and Tobago, postage dues.
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Edited by rod222 - 12/05/2018 11:26 pm
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Rod

Thank you. That explanation is very helpful. Getting the terminology straight is one of my goals. Appreciate all assistance in this regard.
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1 (spanish peseta) on 1 (french franc)
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(Surcharge because of the devaluation of the Spanish Currency)Translation:
Sage stamps from France were used in Morocco until 1890 before being surcharged in Spanish currency (centimos and pesetas) for commissioning on 1 January 1891.

Indeed, the depreciation of this currency and the speculation that had developed through the purchase of large quantities of stamps in Tangier, during the peseta, and resold in France, during the franc, led the administration to create special stamps only in Moroccan offices. Thus, three first values #8203;#8203;were put into action on January 1, 1891 (25/25 c, 50/50 c and 1 peseta / 1 franc) followed by three other values #8203;#8203;on January 1, 1893 (5/5 c, 10/10 c and 20/20 c). Thereafter, a value of 2 pesetas / 2 franss completed these emissions, to which was added a yellow 5/5 c, which explains why this series has eight values #8203;#8203;(Yv 1/8).







To date: thirteen French values #8203;#8203;are known on letters ranging from 1 ct to 1 franc, to which must be added five values #8203;#8203;listed in different catalogs * and studies ** not yet seen on documents; no parts were seen in the U.P.U. from January 1st, 1876, all the pieces object of this presentation are in the tariff U.P.U. May 1st, 1878.

After the issue of overprinted stamps, French stamps without surcharges could be used by those who possessed them and this tolerance continued until at least 1913 when this use was prohibited, except for military correspondence, following the creation of the Moroccan Postal Office resulting from the merger of the French posts and the Cherifian posts **.
http://www.academiedephilatelie.fr/...mah_1501.pdf
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Edited by perf12 - 12/06/2018 07:52 am
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