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Have You Ever Seen a 357 Bluish Precancel?

 
 
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Posted 12/06/2018   6:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add justme to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have been finding some good stamps in this box I got: 444, 546, 219d, and more including this 357 bluish. You can see by the following photos that this is indeed a 357. But I have not seen one of these with a precancel on it anyware online: Hipstamp, eBay, Google search...
Have you seen one before?




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Posted 12/06/2018   7:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It does not look like a bluish paper to me. 331 or 374 depending upon the watermark.
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Posted 12/06/2018   8:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The way this post is worded, I was trying to figure out why I was only seeing a black precancel instead of a supposed bluish one.

I also don't see any bluish paper though.

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Posted 12/07/2018   08:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add justme to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Might be the lighting with the pics. I'm still learning how to adjust the camera. You can tell without comparison. When I first saw the stamp, before I knew anything about bluish paper I thought "this stamp looks blue" In the photos, you can see the precanceled stamp is bluish compared to the other Franklin next to it.
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Posted 12/07/2018   09:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add justme to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If you look at other ones on the web like this one https://www.hipstamp.com/listing/mo...507/23103025 you can't tell directly that its a bluish paper but the shade is like mine. Here are some others. https://www.hipstamp.com/listing/sc...ine/23059891
https://www.hipstamp.com/listing/sc...bl1/17093768
I'm not sure how you cannot see the difference now I'm looking at the images above again.
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Posted 12/07/2018   10:17 am  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Scan against an orange background so the gray (it is not really blue) color of the paper will stand out like this


(Your stamp isn't a 357)
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Posted 12/07/2018   2:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
this "357" will be an embarrassment to somebody if it sells for its eBay asking price (357$) !
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Posted 12/07/2018   3:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Justme - It is not a bluish paper. I would respectfully suggest that if you want peddle it on eBay and make outrageous claims as to its rarity you should send it off to be certified by the Philatelic Foundation. By the way, what exactly is "near mint"?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-SC-35...AOSwWjFcBbjp
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Posted 12/07/2018   6:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Justme,

Maybe the following 600 dpi scans will help to positively identify your stamp?

Jim

#331 front and back:




#357 front and back:


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Posted 12/08/2018   03:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Reported.

What is the appropriate report category for stuff like this?

1) Listing Practices - Fraudulent Listing Activities - You suspect that a listing is fraudulent

or

2) Prohibited & Restricted Items - Stamps/Currency/Coins - Other Stamp Concerns

??

I used #1. (Does it matter??)
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Posted 12/08/2018   09:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add justme to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ok. You are showing me examples of a bluish stamp and that looks like the same color of mine. This is a bluish grey in color. When I put it up against 8 other stamps, it stands out as being grey. The photos don't do it justice. But I appreciate the feedback anyway.
mdroth, there was no reason to report the listing as fraudulent since there was no fraud intended. eBay never said anything to me about this. However, I took the listing down until I get to the stamp place near my house to verify that it is a 357.
Thanks to all the one's who replied with the willingness to help me identify this stamp. This has been a great community.
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Posted 12/08/2018   09:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spain_1850 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Since this is out of my field of expertise, I cannot comment on if this is a bluish paper variety or not. But, I have seen enough of these threads, on here as well as in Facebook groups, to know that if I had one I suspected is a rare variety and there are other common varieties it COULD be, the tendency should be to assume it's the common variety. And IF you truly believe it's the more rare variety then it should be sent to the proper expert for certification.
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Posted 12/08/2018   09:55 am  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Send it in for a cert, if it comes back as a 357 I will pay for the cost of the cert. If it is not a 357, you agreed to stop selling expensive stamps without certs. Deal?
Don
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Posted 12/08/2018   10:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
there was no fraud intended


Fraud is fraud...whether intended or not.

You're selling a used Yugo & claiming it is a Ferrari.

You've been told - by numerous people - who possess in excess of 100 years of experience - that you've got a used Yugo.
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