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Posted 12/28/2018   5:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add littleriverphil to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
So scarce that it is missing from this registered cover.



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Posted 12/28/2018   6:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add No1philatelist to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hmm! Are those not SON 4 ring cancels? Just not a place, date and time cancellation.
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Posted 12/28/2018   7:57 pm  Show Profile Check docgfd's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add docgfd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure of the exact date of the USPOD regulation, but stamps on registered mail were to be cancelled only by mute cancels (which these target killers clearly are). Date stamps were only to be placed on the backs of registered covers.
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Posted 12/28/2018   8:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I'm not sure of the exact date of the USPOD regulation, but stamps on registered mail were to be cancelled only by mute cancels (which these target killers clearly are). Date stamps were only to be placed on the backs of registered covers.


Interesting, any idea why?
Possibly to offer a clear Pmk in case of disruption of delivery?
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Posted 12/28/2018   9:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If the town postmark is not on the back, then some clerk or postmaster screwed up. If it's missing a townmark entirely or is otherwise incorrectly handled, that's not a rare thing. The Post Office tried to remedy things like that several times with notices sent to its postmasters at least in the earlier 20th century, so sloppy handling of registered mail was a clear problem over the years.

The idea of postmarking the back with the town postmark is reported to be intended to make clerks inspect the back to check for a sealed envelope that also hasn't been tampered with. I don't know about 2018, but counter clerks would postmark over every envelope or package seam to be able to confirm that a registered piece was not tampered with. So the suggested method (perhaps later than that of the above cover) was a town postmark struck over each side of the backflap thus:

The purple postmark is a receiving postmark.
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Edited by hy-brasil - 12/28/2018 9:02 pm
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Posted 12/28/2018   9:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The undated front cancel / dated reverse side cancel regulations went into effect January 1, 1911.

Yes, it appears the cover above snuck by without a dated town mark on the front.

Even without any marks (?), seeing the reverse side might still be useful.
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Edited by John Becker - 12/28/2018 9:37 pm
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Posted 12/29/2018   09:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for your thoughts on this.
I didn't post the back of the cover as there is nothing but a few penciled dealer/collector notes, but here it is.


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Edited by littleriverphil - 12/29/2018 09:28 am
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Posted 12/29/2018   09:37 am  Show Profile Check 91stang's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 91stang to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
nice pics!
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Posted 12/29/2018   2:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BaldEagle to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The store in Eureka was operated by the Crocker Bros. from 1872 to 1903. About 1903 my grandfather, Guy M Noyes, became the mail carrier for the downtown route in Eureka. He may have delivered the letter. Unfortunately we can't ask him as he died in the early 1950s.

J S Noyes
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Posted 12/29/2018   2:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I saw a postcard of the large Crocker Bros store on eBay a few weeks ago. Since it wasn't used, I didn't save it on my watch list, been searching ever for it since I got this cover from Jim Forte.
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