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Puerto Rico Sc #133 Landing of Columbus - Forgery?

 
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Posted 01/11/2019   08:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add spain_1850 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This has been an empty spot in my album for a some time, but now I have an opportunity to finally pick one up. Admittedly, it's not the choicest copy, but the price is right in my opinion.

So I'm wondering if anyone has an opinion on the authenticity.


Comparing it to the genuine, and forgeries, on this page..
https://stampforgeries.ca/north-ame...umbus-issue/
..it has more characteristics in common with a genuine stamp than any of the forgeries listed. Opinions?

I also notice, for some reason, that all the copies listed on eBay are being offered @ 2-3x times relative Scott values.

For the record, this one is being offered to me at less than 1/2 SCV.
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Posted 01/11/2019   08:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
From what I see in the link;too me it looks genuine.(No.11 faint mast) caught my eye.
The perfs are not in good condition,so not even VF.These are hard to come by though.
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Edited by perf12 - 01/11/2019 08:50 am
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Posted 01/11/2019   1:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spain_1850 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you. It's good to have another pair of eyes looking at something for you, for confirmation. Now, I just need to decide if I want it bad enough to buy it, or wait until another comes along that I can afford.
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Posted 01/11/2019   2:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What the price range for this stamp?
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Posted 01/11/2019   2:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spain_1850 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, my 2006 Scott has it at $50 used and $200 unused. Doing a quick looksee through eBay, you can see used ones being offered (Buy it Now) in the $175-$250 range (I don't get this), with actual SOLD copies being in the $50-$80 range.

This copy has no gum, but I don't see evidence of a postmark either. Its being offered as used, so I'll assume it is for the asking price of $24.

Also, many of the SOLD copies on eBay are in pretty similar condition, although they are actually postmarked.

Supposedly, 20,000 were printed and remainders were destroyed. Stampworld says 8,000 were issued.
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Posted 01/11/2019   2:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spain_1850 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I guess the good thing is I actually have it, right now, in hand to examine, rather than relying on an eBay scan.
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Posted 01/11/2019   8:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
From my collection
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Posted 01/11/2019   8:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Posted 01/11/2019   10:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spain_1850 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's a pretty dangerous looking forgery, do you happen to know who the forger was?
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Posted 01/11/2019   11:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No idea who made it .
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Posted 01/12/2019   12:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Opinion:
Cropped both and toggled.
Spain and FT stamps are just about identical.
Ergo, both are genuine, or both are forgeries.
(and the colour is a uncanny match)

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Posted 01/12/2019   12:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
They are both forgeries .
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Footnote bibliography from StampForgeries. Com regarding this issue:

133. Landing of Columbus, 1893. Three forgeries: Mercer Bristow, "Forged Columbus commemorative easy to detect", Stamp Collecting, Vol. 74 (October 9, 2000): 22. Don Glickstein, "Poor Don's Almanac", American Philatelist, Vol. 100 (February 1986): 154,55. Three forgeries: Fritz Billig, Billig's Philatelic Handbook, Vol. 6, pp.158-61. R.B. Preston, "The Puerto Rican Colombian Commemorative Stamp of 1893.", The Stamp Specialist, 1942, pp.61-68. George B. Sloane, "Sloane's Column", Stamps (U.S.), Vol. 39 (June 6, 1942): 337. Fournier forgery: The Serrane Guide/ Stamp Forgeries of the World to 1926, p.282 (Yvert 101). J. Dorn (Publisher), The Forged Stamps of all Countries, p.208.
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Posted 01/12/2019   06:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Floortraders stamp is a genuine or a reproduction which I doubt.
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Above genuine position 15 on the sheet of 20

1. The top letters are 1.9mm X 19mm, forgeries are larger
2. The horizon lines become progressively closer together
3. The square frame of the ornament is very close to the main frame. In forgeries it is sometimes farther away and more distinct
4. 8 lines to the top of the galleon
5. This figure has a medallion on his forehead
6. This figure has a buttoned shirt
7. The head of this figure is bounded by 3 lines
8. The hand touches the railing. In some forgeries it does not or is broken
9. The opening of the 3 is very narrow but much larger with most forgeries. Note the thickness of the 3
10. The perfs are 12, forgeries are 11.5
11. The mast is generally weak and very faint on some. The forgeries generally have a thick mast and one with none.
In one forgery the ocean is very rough, disturbed
There is also an imperforate but it is crude and the corner elements have many leaves
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Posted 01/12/2019   08:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I said both stamps above are forgeries ,my album page states it is a forgery what is to doubt .
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