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1 Shilling Embossed Pair... Stain Or Cancellation?

 
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Posted 01/13/2019   12:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add pennyblackie to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Came across an interesting pair of embossed shillings and I am wondering whether to go for it. Are the markings on the face of the stamps cancellation or just ugly stains? Never seen "cancellation" like that before.



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Posted 01/13/2019   12:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add itma to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Strange. There are also the bottoms of two more at the top of the pair. And are those aliens along the bottoms???



Sorry, people. I'm at a loss of what to do with myself this afternoon.
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Posted 01/13/2019   12:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Loupy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Appears to be faded pen cancels as I have seen on other old stamps. Unstable ink or perhaps someone tried to remove the cancels which was a common activity in earlier times in an attempt to use them again for postage.
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Posted 01/13/2019   12:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pennyblackie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Loupy, manuscript cancel came to my mind, but I would have thought black ink would be a typical colour to use.
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Posted 01/13/2019   1:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pennyblackie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Itma, the printing process for these embossed stamps was a very tedious process, resulting very often in the printer overlapping the designs. This is why it is sometimes hard to get 4 margined cut squares.
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Posted 01/13/2019   1:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice research item ,may not appeal to most collectors but if I was doing a page on this era ,I would show that item .
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Posted 01/13/2019   1:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pennyblackie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I actually don't mind having this pair in my collection, but at the right price.
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Posted 01/13/2019   5:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The manuscript cancellation is along as the same lines as the penny black we talked about last month. Little to no doubt it was within regulations.

I'd be going for it, multiples of the embossed issue are always worth securing for your collection.
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Posted 01/13/2019   10:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pennyblackie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just curious, is there a standard to adhere for manuscript cancellation for early gb stamps in terms of ink dye etc?
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Posted 01/13/2019   11:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Just curious, is there a standard to adhere for manuscript cancellation for early gb stamps in terms of ink dye etc?


Opinion:
Inks of all kinds can be found, it depended on the office, and the management, or the business and the management.

Very early script cancellations, especially on revenues was "Iron Gall Ink" made from the Oak tree, highly acidic it made holes in the stamps.



From my Straits collection, early Iron Gall Ink, the paper down to Her Majesty's head, has been completely eaten away.

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Posted 01/13/2019   11:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pennyblackie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod222, good piece of research. Learnt something About iron gall ink. The ink is said to be acidic and damages paper fibre, the example I posted seems rather mild. I would not have expected such an ink to be washed off easily.
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Posted 01/14/2019   01:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
PB,
I doubt if your example is Iron gall Ink, it is densely black, and appears to remain that way.
Yours is of a different mixture, Not that rare to find faded Ink Pmks on early Brit.

The ways your marks appear, it would suggest a water based ink was used, and flooded the items.


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Posted 01/14/2019   01:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Sorsh to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
very low tech printing in the UK at the time.
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Posted 01/14/2019   02:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pennyblackie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorsh, I agree on the low tech part. Each embossed stamp was printed one at a time, making it a time consuming and physical job. This appeals to me as each time I look at the stamp, it will remind me of the work that went into producing it, very different feeling as compared to looking at a stamp that is churned out by a printing machine.
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Posted 01/14/2019   08:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting discussion and info. on early inks thanks .
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Posted 01/14/2019   08:09 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And you can forage in New York and make your own ...

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