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Posted 01/25/2019   11:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi folks,

I am working my way through a bunch of London pre-stamp covers and cannot figure out the office for these four handstamps. Any help would be much appreciated


1) The letter was posted from Bramley, near Guildford in Surrey in 1822. It appears to start with 'New'.




2) This one starts with 'Lo' and will be a country office because of the 3 handstamp. It dates from 1824 and is addressed to Bedford Square.




3) This appears to start with a '3' and clearly ends in 'Terrace'. It dates from 1833.




4) This letter is headed up Bedford Row which is very close to High Holborn. It was posted in 1834. It looks like it has 'ersen' or 'orsen' in the name.




Thanks everyone.
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Posted 01/26/2019   12:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
First check.
Re organised Two Penny Post from 1801
TP = Twopenny Post
"Step" type. 1816-1850
Framed and unframed,
4 each 1984

Now to find the locations....
1. Guess : Suggest Sth Terrace
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Posted 01/26/2019   12:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
4 each 1984


Hi Rod,

What reference are you using for this?
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Posted 01/26/2019   12:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Bobby,
Pick it up for a few dollars.. any more take a miss,
it teases rather than instructs, but gives an idea where to start with markings.
Not useful for adding a commentary on markings for a particular cover.

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Posted 01/26/2019   01:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Rod. I have volume 3 of the County Catalogue of British Postal History by Willcocks & Jay but for these types of handstamps (and receiving office handstamps) there is no listing. Otherwise the book is quite comprehensive. Published in 1983 but there are loads of updates in the London Postal History Group journals that are online.

Hugh Feldman is the go to publication for twopenny post and receiving house handstamps so I'm hoping someone has a copy!
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Posted 01/27/2019   06:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Penguins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello Bobby,
Can only help with three of them, using Brumell's The Local Posts of London

1) I think is Newington Butts, but it is abbreviated to Newtn Butts

2) I cannot find anything beginning with LO with matches to the other letters.
These are the listings for LO :

Lombard Street

London Road - looked likely but not matching the end

Long Acre

Lothbury

Loughton - this also looked possible

Lower Brook Street

Lower Grosvenor Street No.77


3 ) I think is Park Terrace which opened in 1831


4) Pretty certain is BATTERSEA in lowercase letters
Battersea

Hope that helps
Regards.
Eunice
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Posted 01/27/2019   07:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Nice work Eunice.
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Posted 01/27/2019   10:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Eunice, a thousand thank yous

I did have a look at the 1843 Post Office London Directory and there's a place in Kent called Locksbottom. A possibility perhaps?
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Wow so that's a new one for us, I checked in the Willcocks & Jay and they have it listed BUT strangely, there is no other information at all about it, but it is in the TwoPenny Post listing so you may have hit the nail on the head, well done.
Regards
Eunice.
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Posted 01/28/2019   2:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Nice work Bobby,
never come across Locksbottom in 15 years of collecting, in fact all your "stepped" pre stamp strikes are a fascinating new area for me.
Be nice to afford the covers.

I checked out Hugh Feldman , but at $86 was too heavy for me.

Locksbottom not in the Philatelic database.

Here she is in 1905
https://maidstonestampemporium.jimd...kent-g-to-l/

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Posted 01/28/2019   4:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you so much Eunice and Rod

Great postcard Rod, Kent is one part of the UK (among many) that I haven't explored....yet Oh well, I don't need any excuse to go back, I love it over there.

I've developed quite a thing for London postal history so I've sprung for the Feldman book. Will report when it arrives!
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Posted 01/28/2019   4:53 pm  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think I'd do Canterbury before Locksbottom, Bobby!
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Posted 02/07/2019   9:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Feldman books arrived this morning and there's simply no way to overstate how stunning a production they are. Weighing just over 4 kilograms or 9 pounds, bound in rich red cloth with gold lettering and housed in a (slightly too tight) slip case, this must've cost a few 's to produce back in 1998.

I've taken three representative photos:








With so much information, it'll take many weeks of reading just to take in the scope of this work.

This is easily the best philatelic publication I own, worth every last penny I paid
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Posted 02/08/2019   01:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Lovely stuff Bobby, I recall my joy when I received my Turkey Tomes, from Postmaster GS.
Well then, you are the "go to" man for pre stamp knowledge.



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Posted 02/08/2019   01:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Rod. Not too sure about being the "go to" man just yet though....
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Posted 02/11/2019   10:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just a quick note to confirm that number 2) above is from Lower Mitcham.
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