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Posted 02/12/2019   04:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Roadrunner to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I would like to share some of my Zeppelin covers. I have found very little information or examples regarding this flight from Berlin (Oct 8, 1919) to Stockholm Sweden (Oct 8, 1919) with green arrival cancellation on front and backstamped at postoffice Stockholm.
It's adressed to Nordiska Kompaniet (The Nordic Company) which was one of the more exclusive department store in Stockholm (Inaugurated Sept 21, 1915).

Any feedback is welcome.




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France, Metropolitan
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Posted 02/12/2019   09:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi; Maybe you have seen these ? looks like an expensive cover...
lot: 3003101117
https://www.christ-stamps.com/en/do...t_sprache=en
lot:5015
https://www.philasearch.com/en/dose...0&postype=PH
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https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/LZ_120
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Posted 02/14/2019   03:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pennyblackie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Didn't realise these stamps are worth a bit, I may have some in my box of unsorted stamps.
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Posted 02/15/2019   4:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hornet785 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Roadrunner,

This cover is a Sieger Nr. 19.K, Printed matter rate. Only thing and I would check is the green receiver. The example in the Sieger Catalogue, the 8 is straight under the B. May be nothing but a good certificat would be great.

Nice cover indeed!

The route on 08.10.1919 was: Berlin/Staaken- stockholm and return.

Hornet
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Posted 02/15/2019   6:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Roadrunner to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for feedback.

I havn't had the opportunity to compare the green receiver with other examples before. I agree that the one shown in Siegers cat. is slightly different, but that's not from an actual cover I believe? The example at Christ-Stamps in the link from perf12 above https://www.christ-stamps.com/en/i_...773&row_nr=2, shows two green receiver cancellation and the top inverted one shows even the left edge of the rubber stamp (before B) which also can be seen on my cover.

In K.B Spezial Band I there is also an example with the left edge visible. I don't know if it's ok to show a picture from the book here.

I would like to have an expert to look at the cover and eventually get a certificate, but I don't know where to ask. I have been in contact with Dieter Leder before in other matter, but I can't get in touch with him.

- Roadrunner
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Posted 02/16/2019   09:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hornet785 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Roadrunner,

You can contact Mr. Sieger at BPP, he is a senior member.

https://www.bpp.de/en/senior-members.html

Best regards

Hornet
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Posted 04/07/2019   09:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add zepman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not the same Sieger unfortunately
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Posted 04/07/2019   9:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kimo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The other two covers from this flight to make a set would be one with the "on board" cancel going to Stockholm and the one on the return flight from Stockholm back to Berlin. Yours looks like a nice example of the Berlin post office cancel to Stockholm, though the Stockholm receiving cancel on the back being partially covered by the flap would be something to get an expert to certify this as being right.
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Posted 04/09/2019   6:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hornet785 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

@zepman, I'll check his contact info once at home on friday.

@ Kimo, that's because it is a Printed Matter so the flap was not sealed for inspection.

Hornet

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Posted 04/10/2019   02:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Roadrunner to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks all for your comments, much appreciated.

@Kimo, I have tried to contact Sieger with no luck. You are absolutely right about the flap on the cover. The part of cancellation not shown on the picture are visible under the flap. However, during the time there is a small (10mm) part of the flap glued to cover. Accidentelly or not I can't tell (It's on the tip).

Unfortunately Dieter Leder seams to be offline, at least for me. Last time I heard from him was in may last year and I'm still awaiting for Zeppelin Post Journal 2017.

My main concern for the cover was the postage. Is 5 Pfennig correct for Printed Matter?
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Posted 04/13/2019   08:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hornet785 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

May be this way:

http://www.zeppelinpost.de/z2_zp-ag.htm

Hornet
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Posted 04/19/2019   5:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add zepman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Dieter has fallen off the edge of the earth as far as I know. Are you registered with ezep.de? I've been trying to find out who TALLTREES is who posts a bunch on the forum. That seems to be the last active part of the group. There is a Face Book group that just formed that may be of interest.
Zeppelin & Airship Collectors: Stamps, Mail, and Ephemera
lots of good discussions.
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Sweden
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Posted 04/22/2019   11:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Roadrunner to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@Zepman:

No, I'm not registered with ezep.de, but I've applied for it many years ago. But nothing happend sorry to say. In may and june last year I had good communication with Dieter and also received ZPJ for 2016. He stated that he was working on 2017 and should send it out in june, but I never received it. Unfortunately he forgot to send another certificate when I purchased a cover from him last spring. I get the cover, but the certificate has never found it's way to my home. After june the communication stopped completely. I hope nothing bad has happend to him.
I will send him a letter next week and see if I can get a respond. His maildress at AIEP isn't valid either.
Thank you for your Facebook tips. I have applied to the group today.
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