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US 842 With Small Holes

 
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Posted 03/02/2019   3:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add DrGG to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Scott does not list a value for this stamp. What would the value be for a MNH F/VF pair be?
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Posted 03/02/2019   5:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rdavid to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Do you mean Scott #842 1939 3 cent violet coil pair? If so, should not cost much over $1.00, I should think.
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Posted 03/03/2019   3:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DrGG to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Scott does not list a value for small holes.
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Posted 03/03/2019   3:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Willwood42 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A picture would make it clearer what you are talking about. Small holes compared to what.
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While I am not familiar with the hole sizes for the prexie series, I would assume they may be somewhat similar to the ones for the later Liberty series. The catalogue values for small hole vs. large hole seem to indicate that, in most instances, the smaller the perforation holes, the larger the value. Case in point is the Bunker Hill Monument coil. Normal hole (slightly larger than 1mm in diameter) pairs catalogue at 60 cents while small hole (slightly less than 1mm) pairs catalogue at $850. A considerable difference in value for so slight a difference in hole size. The Sonic Imagery Labs Precision U.S. Specialty Multi-Gauge includes a tool to help identify Liberty Series hole sizes.
Presumably, the different hole sizes were the result of using perforating pins with different diameters. Note that the perforation gauge does not change ... just the hole diameter size.
Added: Note that I have assumed that different hole sizes were caused by different sized perforating pins. I am not convinced that this is actually true and would like to see an accurate explanation of what caused the difference. Besides the perf pin diameter, perforation speed could play a role in the hole size.
Added: Did a search on previous forum threads and found one that discussed Scott 496a. The upshot is that small holes were likely the result of smaller perforating pins.
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Posted 03/04/2019   08:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DrGG to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your informative post. Scott lists this 842 variety without showing a value.
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The lack of a CV in Scott for this variety indicates that they don't have sufficient information to establish a value. This may be due to rarity but also may be due to fairly recent discovery of the variety. In the 496a thread, it was mentioned that many of the older small hole coils first appeared in Scott around 2010 or 2011. If you have access to an older catalogue, you might check it to see if the 834 small hole had been listed yet.
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Liberty Series coils with small holes/large holes was covered in a previous SCF discussion, July, 2014. A fairly adequate explanation is given there related to why there are two hole sizes.

http://goscf.com/t/5796&whichpage=2

Noted philatelic author/researcher Ken Lawrence also wrote about the small hole/large hole Liberty Series and gives a more detailed explantion in his article "Collecting the Liberty Series" in the August 1992 issue of the United States Specialist.

All of the Prexy coils are Scott listed with small holes, but no values are listed as of yet (2019 U.S. Specialized).
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Posted 03/04/2019   9:29 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
rdavid - I would love to get one for $1
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If one searches U.S. Scott 839-851 for all of the Presidential Issue (1939) coil stamps for PSE certificates, one will find that these have now all each been certified with small perforation holes. See http://stampsmarter.com/Learning/PSEView.html to look them up.
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Posted 06/04/2020   09:46 am  Show Profile Check jogil's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have read the article on small perforation holes "A Newly Certified Washington-Franklin Variety: A Coil Pair With Small Holes" by Ken Lawrence in "Scott Stamp Monthly" Volume 24, Number 6, June 2006, pp. 22-28. In it, it says that used copies cannot be definitely identified as small hole varieties due to paper changes from being soaked in water. This is interesting given that some used copies have been certified as having small holes.

There appears to be around 3 main groupings in which small holes have been found: 1) Washigton-Franklin coils Scott 490-497 (wet), 2) Prexie coils Scott 839-851 (wet), 3) Liberty coils Scott 1054-1059A (dry/wet).


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