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Help Needed. Broken Plate 1899 Tasmania #87. 14 Perforation.

 
 
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Posted 03/12/2019   11:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add SewallH to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Here is one of my 1899 Tasmania #87 stamps. I was going to sell it with some other Tasmania stamps. After doing a 600 dpi scan, I could not believe that there appears to be not one but two major plate flaws. The lower left corner has what looks like a long plate crack. The top half of the stamp has what may be a semicircle plate scratch.

This is a remarkable item. I have analyzed thousands of stamps from my collection and other collections and it is very very rare for me to find such a stamp.

I am seeking comments and thoughts. I would appreciate any help. Is my analysis of plate flaw correct? Has anyone seen a similar stamp? Is this stamp classified in any specialist catalogue (Scotts certainly does not have it)? There must have been at least one full sheet of this stamp printed. Once the flaw was discovered, the plate was probably replaced or repaired.

This is normally a $2 catalogue value stamp, but with this amazing plate flaw, it could be worth much much more. Any thoughts as to value?

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Posted 03/13/2019   12:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If no response here, try
http://www.tps.org.au/

Please post any response here, so we can all learn.

PS: Any members assist with Pmk?
Have tried BUNN, SUNN, BONN, BUNN ..nothing
BURNIE perhaps.

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Edited by rod222 - 03/13/2019 12:11 am
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Posted 03/13/2019   10:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SewallH to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the link to the Tasmania Postal Group website. I found this interesting writeup of plate flaws in the Tasmania 1c pictorial.

http://www.tps.org.au/wp-content/up...18-final.pdf

INTRODUCTION TO THE TASMANIAN PICTORIAL 1d PRINTINGS.
The printings of the 1d Pictorial can be broken down into three recognisable groups.
#61623; The Recess prints done in London England,
#61623; The lithographed prints done in Melbourne, Victoria and
#61623; The typographed prints done in Melbourne, Victoria.

The Recess Prints.
The first set of printing was done by De La Rue in London based on photographs taken in
Tasmania.
These stamps can be identified by the use of the 'TAS' watermark and are perforated 14,
they were first issued in December 1899.
There a number of hairline flaws on the 1d value but I am not aware of any recent work to
plate them, there are some notes on flaws in the K Lancaster book.

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My stamp is 14 perforation and is recess printed. It must be the De La Rue print out of London. These are indicated to have a number of hairline flaws. I am still looking for a description of the various hairline flaw types. I clearly have one here.

The above document indicates that the Tasmanian 1c pictorials had many small flaws (in the 11-12 perforation stamps). The document shows all of these flaws. However, my stamp is not the 11-12 perforation variety and looks beautifully printed, despite the hairline cracks.

Still looking for additional info and need your help.
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Posted 03/13/2019   11:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SewallH to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The postmark for this Tasmania stamp is August 26, 1901, Burnie, Tasmania. I checked the postal offices is Tasmania for that year and Burnie is the only matching post office. Other close matches were Burns Creek and Buckland, but these do not match. The postmark was double impression. The first impression (marked by me in green) had little ink and did not provide a good cancel. So the stamp was postmarked a second time (my blue markings). The "A" in TASMANIA on the second postmark was compromised by the ink from the first postmark, making the letter "A" unreadable.

See picture.

I have the plate flaws marked in yellow.

I have to say, this is one of the greatest plate flaws I have ever seen. Dual flaws, actually. And the flaws are large. This London printed stamp otherwise is printed beautifully and is very clear compared to the Australian printed varieties.

I wonder if it worth anything?

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Posted 03/13/2019   4:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It'll certainly be worth something to the specialist but I'm not willing to guess on a value. The Tasmania pictorials are a very popular field though.
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Posted 03/13/2019   6:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The postmark was double impression. The first impression (marked by me in green) had little ink and did not provide a good cancel. So the stamp was postmarked a second time (my blue markings). The "A" in TASMANIA on the second postmark was compromised by the ink from the first postmark, making the letter "A" unreadable.


I respectfully disagree.
You need to check with specialists regarding the BURNIE hammer,
Some were made from materials other than brass.
I have seen many images of "bulging outer rings" as yours,
but I need to find in my records.
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Posted 03/14/2019   10:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SewallH to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod,

Interesting observation about the Burnie hammer. I concluded that it was a double cancellation as the "2" in the date 26 is clearly printed in twice in different spots. This could only be caused by the cancellation applied twice. It is not a double impression cancellation as the "2"s are so far apart. There are also other ink cancellation marks in various spots that doe not correspond the the application of the more clean second application of the hammer. I could mark these on the stamp, but I don't think that it really matters.

Regarding value, I have been informed from other sources that the post 1900 Tasmania Pictorial stamps with plate errors (these are all minor plate errors) catalogue for Aus$150. The knowledgeable person that looked at my stamp thought that it was absolutely spectacular and very unusual. He could not provide a value either, but the general implication was that the catalogue value was far greater than $150.
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Posted 03/14/2019   8:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sewall,
indeed it could be two strikes.
It never worries me, being right or wrong, just that all possibilities are recognised.

Dashed if I could find my Aussie "bulging" postmark rings, I think it is my problem with how to write a suitable text string identifier.

TIP: if you decide to market the piece, consider going through the Tasmanian Philatelic Soc auction, they get fabulous prices for their scarcer material.
Blew me way out of the water.
Bulging, elongated, distorted....
Here is an example of a bulging CDS (no relation to Tasmania)



I can confirm BURNIE did indeed have a rubber hammer, however, it was a double ring CDS seen in Violet ink.

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Edited by rod222 - 03/14/2019 8:50 pm
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A very neat item. You list the marks as Plate Flaws. Might I suggest Plate Scratch? I have quite a few Newfoundland stamps with issues like this. But that is what makes it interesting, right?
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Posted 03/16/2019   8:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SewallH to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Pilar and Rod,

When I saw "plate flaw", I use the term a bit loosely. It could be a cracked plate or scratches.

I will look into selling this stamp through the Tasmanian Philatelic Society.

Can any one post an image of ANY stamp with similar types of flaws: long scratches or cracked plate (I am looking for large flaws, not small flaws). I have very few reference points for my stamp.

Thanks.
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Posted 03/16/2019   8:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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When I saw "plate flaw", I use the term a bit loosely. It could be a cracked plate or scratches.


When I first saw your post, I was also thinking like Steve,
I gave it some thought, then agreed with you, "plate flaw" can cover a myriad of evidence, I guess.
So Plate Flaw, suffix "scratch"


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I will look into selling this stamp through the Tasmanian Philatelic Society.


Sewall, why not write an email to the society, and seek opinion if your stamp is worth marketing through them. Ask if the variety would attract sufficient interest, and ask about previous history of the emission.
If so ask for their suggested reserve.
That should give you a decent idea on your example.
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Edited by rod222 - 03/16/2019 8:35 pm
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Posted 03/16/2019   11:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SewallH to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod,

I already took your advice and have emailed the Tasmania Philatelic Society. I am hoping to get a response next week. I will post what I learn there.

This stamp has to be one of the most unusual in my collection. My error stamps usually command good prices, but this stamp is off the charts crazy.
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Posted 03/17/2019   8:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob041256 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi SewallH

Good advice, Let's hope that the Tasmania Philatelic Society will be able to help.

Rob
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