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Posted 03/13/2019   11:31 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add eyeonwall to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Given what else is in the lot, it is difficult to believe the 843a, 844a and 846a are real.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NobleSpiri...AOSwb1NciYxs
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Posted 03/14/2019   02:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BattleshipRB23 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Anyone else having difficulty with that link? I am unable to open??? Keep getting "This site can't be reached" error message.
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Posted 03/14/2019   03:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stampman2002 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Farley's appear to be genuine, but that is only a small part of the lot and this seller is known to have stamps which are questionable.

Given the nature of the seller, I would be wary of what you see as available from this dealer.

Just my opinion....
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Posted 03/14/2019   09:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As far as I can see this lot is worth a lot less at retail then the current bid.
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Posted 03/14/2019   10:34 am  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Given what else is in the lot, it is difficult to believe the 843a, 844a and 846a are real.


What are those numbers? My 2019 Scott Specialized doesn't have "a" letters for those numbers.

There's a lot of quantity in this lot, but the vast majority are minor EFOs... stuff that's a tough sell for more than a few bucks each. The Farleys look interesting though, and if genuine, there would be a lot of value there... almost too much to be found in a lot like this, given the catalogue value of the Farleys compared to the values of everything else. They stick out conspicuously. Some of those in plate block form are unvalued in Scott. If legit, there would be $40-50,000 Scott in just the Farleys...

Per the Scott Catalogue: "Beware of fakes of the part-perforate errors of Nos. 740-749, including those with gum"

This is a seller I tend to stay away from.
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Posted 03/14/2019   11:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ClassicPhilatelist to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Whenever you approach a collection, one of the best things you can do is assume something is not going to be what you were expecting. When you buy collections, your bid should reflect that. So decide what risk you are willing to give those parts, and what you are confident in, and then bid accordingly.
We never assume VF and faultless when we approach how we value our bid on a collection. It's a practice that serves us well. Sometimes, you find a gem.
I've bought from Nobelspirt before. There is always authentic and some mis=IDd or faked items. I don't specifically blame this seller, they are just turning over what they pickup from where ever they get them. If you want to know about a specific item, ask them to send you a closeup, they've always done it for me.
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Posted 03/14/2019   11:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add craigk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Gracious, someone went full bore with a perf machine. They're all fakes. A whole box of 743a pairs when only 15 exist. A mess of 744a's when a single sheet of 50 is known.

And the El Capitan souvenir sheet of 6, I believe, was never found perforated as an error. Wacky.
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Posted 03/14/2019   11:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
They buy tons of bulk material at Rasdale and others. Why did they not break out the Farley's seperately? Why are they not in a Siegel sale with certs and strong bidding in the thousands? Yeah, that is why.
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Posted 03/14/2019   11:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add alub to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply



I'm not aware of the perforated version of this sheet.
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Posted 03/14/2019   11:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Anyone want to try figuring the odds on someone having multiple examples of "imperf between" plate blocks? And if one did have them, and you were a known dealer, at the very least wouldn't you show them to someone knowledgeable? Or send them in for certs? No, $50,000 or $60,000 worth of stamps if genuine would wind up added to a mediocre large lot on eBay. Right.
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Posted 03/14/2019   11:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Actually I have seen some perforated souvenir sheets before. Someone having fun.
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Posted 03/14/2019   11:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The lot as it sits is probably worth $75-$100 to an EFO collector, so it is already gone way beyond it's actual value. Just what the seller was hoping for.
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Posted 03/14/2019   3:47 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"What are those numbers? My 2019 Scott Specialized doesn't have "a" letters for those numbers"
typo - should start with 7 not 8. 743a, 744a and 746a

"Anyone want to try figuring the odds on someone having multiple examples of "imperf between" plate blocks? And if one did have them, and you were a known dealer, at the very least wouldn't you show them to someone knowledgeable? Or send them in for certs? No, $50,000 or $60,000 worth of stamps if genuine would wind up added to a mediocre large lot on eBay. Right."

Exactly. They are just fishing for suckers.
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Posted 03/14/2019   4:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, they highlight a sales receipt in there from the EFO collector's club, for $265+tip. For whatever that is worth.
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Posted 03/14/2019   4:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bupkis is what it is worth. Anyone bidding $400+ for this lot expecting those to be genuine deserves what he/she gets.
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Posted 03/14/2019   5:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stampman2002 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There were dealers in the late 1930's-1940's who had an overabundance of the special printings. When the USPOD offered to gum full sheets, some of them did so and then privately perforated them to facilitate sale as discount postage.

I showed a couple of perf 14 items which may have originated with Y. Souren (his corner card is on the cover).

I had not noticed the large number of part perfs when I commented earlier, so I withdraw the opinion that they look okay. As someone pointed out, genuine ones are scarce with only 15 pair accounted for at present. It's doubtful any others would surface.
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