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Signed President Eisenhower Letter On White House Stationery

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Posted 03/25/2019   3:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add PostalHysteria to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Pulled today from a bulk lot, a nice surprise indeed

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Posted 03/25/2019   3:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ClassicPhilatelist to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's cool. Are you able to determine if it's a hand signature, or autopen?
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Posted 03/25/2019   3:23 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Eisenhower did use an autopen, you will need to check for live ink.
https://www.raabcollection.com/blog...d-signatures

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Posted 03/25/2019   4:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostalHysteria to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the responses and for the link, Don.

I can't tell for sure. Odds on is it is an autopen. What gave me some hope that it is original is

1. The signature appears so sloppy when I recall autopens of other presidents. If one is to go to the trouble for an autopen sig, why not take the time to make it readable. Unless, of course, one wanted to make the sig look casual.

2. I compared autographs with those I could find online and I found none with the trailing tail at the end.

Under 10x glass the ink appears thick and solid, but without telltale splotches at the beginning or end as mentioned in the link that Don posted.

Not holding my breath...
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Posted 03/25/2019   6:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add funcitypapa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The signature is genuine—-no doubt about it
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Posted 03/25/2019   8:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostalHysteria to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is an enlarged signature




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Posted 03/26/2019   02:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ClassicPhilatelist to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I wasn't questioning the authenticity of the signature, just if it was autopen or not.
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Posted 03/26/2019   09:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add funcitypapa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Classic: this is a genuine example of DDE's personally hand signed signature. An auto pen is NOT a genuine signature. The term genuine when applied to autographs implies personally hand signed.
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Posted 03/26/2019   4:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add craigk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Agreed, that is definitely Eisenhower's signature, based on the adressee Hugh Meade Alcorn, a prominent Ct attorney and former head of the RNC during the Eisenhower term.

So, it's really a twofer. Eisenhower's signature on a letter to a individual instrumental in getting Eisenhower the presidency. That is an awesome lucky find.

https://www.courant.com/news/connec...7-story.html


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Posted 03/26/2019   4:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostalHysteria to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
CraigK and funcitypapa: this is indeed good/hopeful news. I feel this needs professional authentication regardless if I choose to keep it or sell it. I've never ventured beyond philatelic certs.

Yes, I was aware of the "personal" relationship between the two men. That's a reason I hoped this was an authentic sig.

Can you or any one else suggest an expertiser? I would be shooting in the dark on my own on this.
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Posted 03/26/2019   4:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add craigk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Only one I know of is PSA Experts. The Eisenhower autographs coa's aren't cheap, costing $100 for a letter. But is a good indication of their value.
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Considering what has gone on in the baseball collectibles world, I don't think much of PSA. What's given here are just a few of the problems associated with the autograph department:
https://www.dallasobserver.com/news...cks-11619674

https://www.raabcollection.com/blog...d-signatures

http://www.autograph-market.com/art...s-discovered
The book mentioned is not on Amazon but could be gotten via interlibrary loan.
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Posted 03/26/2019   5:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add funcitypapa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What makes you think that when I tell you that this is a genuine signature, that this not the word of an expert in presidential autographs. By the way, who the letter is addressed to means nothing. Singer Pearl Baily's presidential medal of freedom certificate bore a non authentic signature of Ronald Reagan. However, I hate to disappoint you. The value of this letter is around $250-300. COA's in autographs do not attach the same meaning in the autograph field as the PF etc does with stamps. And certainly not PSA.
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"What makes you think that when I tell you that this is a genuine signature, that this not the word of an expert in presidential autographs."

I guess because I have no idea who you are.

But I do appreciate your evaluation of a scan, and your confidence in your evaluation.
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Posted 03/26/2019   7:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add craigk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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By the way, who the letter is addressed to means nothing.


I don't think that is true. I think an addressee can be quite significant in determining authenticity. In this case, IMO, I think it is genuine based on the relationship between Eisenhower & Meade.

https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/...oto/50349601

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Posted 03/26/2019   10:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add funcitypapa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is indeed a very unusual reaction for a situation where a poster is told his item is good. Usually such a dismissive response is given in anger when I have to tell a poster that the item is unfortunately not authentically signed.

Who I am is not really important since as you say you don't know any experts in the field and there are really not expertizing organizations for autographs with the same cache as the PF in stamps. Nonetheless there are people very knowledgable in presidential autographs. I just happen to be one of them. If you don't want to accept my opinion, so be it. It is correct nonetheless. It is logical to think that the recipient of a letter is more important than the signature pattern itself in determining authenticity—it is not. On this letter, the signature is good on its own without the need to bring the recipients identity into the evaluation.

It is a nice clean letter with a dark signature. But it is a routine content thank you note and Eisenhower as president is very common in this format which is why the value is not that high. Your conclusion that I don't know what I am talking about just because you don't Know me or that my opinion is just that— an opinion but not necessarily the correct opinion —is unfortunate and now I regret having wasted my time trying to help you out and why I usually hesitate to enter these discussions. If you stick around this forum long enough you will find that there are other members who seem to know a great deal about their area of specialization but don't feel the need to advertise their credentials and yet you can tell by what they say and how they say it that they know what they are talking about. I hope you won't be dismissive of them.

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