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Us Postal Forgery 143l3, OR Just A Regular Forgery?

 
 
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Posted 04/20/2019   02:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add NanoPhilatelic to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I know there is some value in postal forgeries. Forged stamps that were used in the same time period made to defraud the post office, as opposed to forgeries that were created to defraud stamp collectors.
The Scott catalog has a a lot of postal forgeries listed. I could not find a listing for this particular forgery. Any thoughts?

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Posted 04/20/2019   10:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Seeing this post and your post about the Pomeroy stamp ... I would highly recommend you invest in the 3 volume set of Larry Lyons' "The Identifier for Carriers, Locals, Fakes, Forgeries and Bogus Posts of the United States" + the price guide supplement. The Scott catalog is completely inadequate for identifying these. To be honest, you are wasting your time trying to use Scott.
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Posted 04/20/2019   10:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NanoPhilatelic to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice, thank you for the suggestion, I will get it, it looks like a must have. To bad it is not in digital format.

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Edited by NanoPhilatelic - 04/20/2019 10:12 am
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Posted 04/20/2019   10:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StateRevs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I bought the set years ago and I don't even collect locals.

The set has already easily paid for itself as it allowed me to properly ID local items I then sold off on eBay.

Outstanding reference books and the standard for aspiring authors!
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Posted 04/20/2019   10:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ClassicPhilatelist to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
NanoPhilatelic,
You have a Frajola forgery, type B2, designation 1WE5F2 so that's it's ID, but there is no value information for the forgeries. Generally I find most of this forgery type will garner between $10 and $25. This particular issue has no less than 22 different variations by different forgers.
John Becker and StateRevs make a great suggestion, that getting the Lyons books are indispensable in properly IDing both genuine and forged items. But as I mention, it doesn't provide any guidance regarding values.
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Posted 04/20/2019   11:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NanoPhilatelic to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great! Next I should get the Michel German Specialized catalog in English. You are right, referencing only the Scott catalog has its limitations.
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Posted 04/20/2019   11:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As I noted above, the Lyons' trilogy also has a price guide supplement:
"The 2007 Pricing Guide for Unlisted Carriers, Locals, Fakes, Forgeries and Bogus Posts of the United States"

More generally, do not skimp on investing in the specialty literature or society memberships. Both will pay for themselves very quickly.
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