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Does A Hinged Stamp Decrease Its Value + Other Questions

 
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Posted 05/08/2019   1:37 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Yolom,
Many non-collectors do not realize that stamps typically have a number of subtle varieties of the same design. Two stamps can look identical but one is worth 2 cents and one is worth $20k.

Old stamps are as common as old rocks; even if you had a huge pile of rocks the chances of finding a gem stone is slim to none. Stamp collecting has a lot of rewards but getting rich is not on the list. If you invested a few months learning about the hobby, you can increase the odds a bit of being able to identify one of the less common varieties. But there is no quick way to glean this level of experience and knowledge. Many people enjoy learning about the stamps and discover intrinsic joy in the hobby itself.

I am unsure why you are convinced that you have rare stamps but be assured that this forum is full of threads just like this one. We do not like peeing in anyone's Wheaties and hope that you may indeed have something worthwhile in the accumulation of stamps that you have. But having been down this road over and over, you will have to forgive us for being skeptical.

Lastly, do not use eBay 'for sale' listings to determine values; people can ask anything they want and this is especially true if they have no idea what they are doing. You appear to be doing this right way...trying to properly ID your stamps first. Simply change your assumption to 'I have all common stamps' and hopefully 1-2 will surprise you.
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Posted 05/08/2019   1:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Ringo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Forgive me for being blunt, but you are kidding yourself with all this.

You started your very first post with "I have numerous stamps worth a lot of money" and despite several knoweldgeable people telling you it's not so, you are still saying things like, "I have rare stamps from every country on the planet". So far, everything you've shown is worth next to nothing, and is far from rare - exactly as expected.

Why? Because for a stamp to be worth anything, it has to be vary rare. Are your stamps very rare? Almost certainly not, because very rare stamps are very rare - and so you don't find them.

If you had a valuable collection of rarities, the previous owner would have been wealthy to start with, very keen on his collection, invested a lot of money on it, stored them very carefully, and perhaps insured them and listed them in a will.

Just on the face of it - you have very common stamps, many torn or stuck together, and they have been kept in an 'International Junior Postage Stamp Album'. What do you suppose the word 'junior' signifies? It indicates the album was marketed to children or beginners. No-one builds up a valuable collection of rare stamps and keeps them in a beginner's album.

The fact that they are stuck in with hinges does not indicate they are from a 'serious collector' as you seem to think - stamp hinges are given away to kids with cardboard perforation gauges and plastic tongs.

Having some stuck to paper or card only means they were snipped off the corner of some incoming mail, and kept - it does not mean they have any value, as you seem to hope. You can buy sackfulls of them on eBay if you want.

Honsetly, Yolom, I wish you the very best but please stop thinking you have anything valuable. Stamps are a fantastic and rewarding hobby. Just enjoy them for what they are - they're bits of old paper, not diamonds.
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Edited by Ringo - 05/08/2019 1:43 pm
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Posted 05/08/2019   2:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Yolom to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, I get it. Is it ok if I keep posting pics for my own sake and so that people can maybe find another 5$ stamp? That's enough money for me. I'm not good with communicating threw the internet so if I pissed you off I'm sorry I didn't mean too. I was just joking about my stamps being rare. I have aspergers and I'm bad with people and communication. I'm sorry guys, don't be mad at me. Still you never know there might be a needle/stamp in a haystack? So let's have fun looking for it.



These are the last two pages of the Canadian stamps:


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[URL="https://ibb.co/k33yrGR][/url]



Last pages of Great Britain:

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[URL="https://ibb.co/FwcQHmM][/url]
[URL="https://ibb.co/jTPqvGs][/url]
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Edited by Yolom - 05/08/2019 2:36 pm
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Posted 05/08/2019   2:29 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Of course not, you can post images.
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Posted 05/08/2019   2:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Yolom to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks ;-)
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Posted 05/08/2019   3:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BreefmackUSA to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One thing popped out at me on that first page of Canada:




That $1 (SC # 159) stamp is $80 in Very Fine Used Condition according to my 2018 Scott Catalogue, and the one under it looks like it might be a #158 "Bluenose", which is listed at $65.

...as Elmer Fudd used to say, be VEWY VEWY CAREFULL in soaking them apart, and you might get your money back!

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Posted 05/08/2019   3:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Yolom to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Last pages of America:

After this would you like to see any particular country? I might just go alphabetically. Who knows maybe there is something somewhere amongst these stamps worth something. If not , oh well.


[URL="https://ibb.co/7SWzfgk][/url]
[URL="https://ibb.co/vQbRSpv][/url]
[URL="https://ibb.co/K2dRPwL][/url]
[URL="https://ibb.co/1vpRWXk][/url]
[URL="https://ibb.co/MGV1bvs][/url]
[URL="https://ibb.co/M7kng7c][/url]
[URL="https://ibb.co/FWP5qXf][/url]
[URL="https://ibb.co/PwQsWp9][/url]
[URL="https://ibb.co/nsNmBxd][/url]
[URL="https://ibb.co/VTfXSfV][/url]






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Edited by Yolom - 05/08/2019 3:16 pm
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Posted 05/08/2019   3:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Yolom to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hey thanks for the heads up BreefmackUSA! Yeah, those stamps are in good condition. They are hinged with that special tape you guys have been talking about, not scotch tape. Not stuck together either, so I might be able to get something. Thanks :-)

Edit: Im afraid to unhinge because it will leave that hinge mark right? Anyway of avoiding a hinge mark? My uncle used

Oh and the blue stamp is a 50 cents stamp and under that is a red 20 cents stamp and under that, lol, is lastly a 12 cents Grey stamp. Giving you pictures would be better probably.

Don: I see people selling stamps like exactly like mine for $100,000. The thing is do you think there is a sucker that will buy one of my stamps for that much? There is a sucker born every minute as they say. Sure it's unethical, but all business is unethical. American is largely built upon unethical business practices.

I hated stamps before this forum, lmao. I think I'm starting to find out why people dig them so much.
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Posted 05/08/2019   4:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Ringo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yolom, I'm sorry if my post above sounded like I was annoyed. I wasn't - I respect that you've come here for advice and posted up some images. Good for you. I just wanted to give you the brutal truth about the majority of stamps, so you can use that as a baseline.

Now, it does appear you might have a couple of nice stamps among the ordinary. You are right to be concerned about removing hinges. As you may realise, the hinges are folded in two, one bit stuck to the stamp, the other to the album page. If you are careful you can leave the hinge attached to the stamp and peel it off the page. Leave it attached to the back of the stamp.

For used stamps, nearly always, a couple of minutes in a saucer of water and the hinge will magically float off. Lay the wet stamp on a teatowel - clean, not one that's been near food and muck! and wait until bone dry. You have perfectly unhinged it. (Handle wet stamps with extra care.)

Maybe practice on a few others before trying with the good ones.
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Posted 05/08/2019   4:41 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
...I see people selling stamps like exactly like mine for $100,000...


They may look exactly the same, but the difference might be a paper watermark or the perforation gauge. These are attributes which you would not be able to detect by simply looking at the stamp.

But you are also correct, there are eBay sellers who 'troll for suckers' but these kinds of listings are just laughed at by buyers. No one is so rich or so stupid as to drop six figures on one of those listings.

Also be aware that catalog value is not the same as market value. A general rule of thumb is that market value is somewhere between 10-25% of catalog value for stamps like yours (there may be a handful of exceptions).
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Posted 05/08/2019   5:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Yolom to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ringo : It's all good my man, everything is cool.
Thanks for the great hinge advice.

51studebaker: Great info, will keep all of it in mind. Thanks
By the way I have been trying to quote many people like you did to me, how did you do that?


I'm trying to look up my foreign stamps but I think those stamps are worth nothing because people mostly like US, Canadian and Great Britain stamps. I really can't find, say a estimate price of a Congo stamp, lol. What countries would be worth maybe a little pocket change, if they were the right stamps? Anyone know? How about Hawaii stamps?
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Edited by Yolom - 05/08/2019 5:14 pm
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Posted 05/08/2019   6:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Yolom to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These are random foreign stamps that's worth is anybody's guess. My uncle put a few stamps that wouldn't fit in the stamp book on the back of some thin paper. Stamps are all hinged. There are some weird and cool looking stamps in this bunch. If you see anything worth any money let me know.

I was wondering if I should see a stamp specialist to get these stamps appraised. Does that cost money to get them appraised? You guys are doing a good general job appraising for me, thanks, but in addition to you guys do you think seeing an appraiser would be any help at all?


[URL="https://ibb.co/j8qHq6D][/url]
[URL="https://ibb.co/Cnz6R8r][/url]
[URL="https://ibb.co/TBRwbDx][/url]
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[URL="https://ibb.co/170y2Qf][/url]
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[URL="https://ibb.co/MnF7tCb][/url]
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[URL="https://ibb.co/hKPFN6c][/url]
[URL="https://ibb.co/tP517Dd][/url]


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Edited by Yolom - 05/08/2019 6:56 pm
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Posted 05/08/2019   7:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Yolom to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, enough for today...

[URL="https://ibb.co/ZYgX43w][/url]
[URL="https://ibb.co/DCNBXYX][/url]
[URL="https://ibb.co/nPcTvtf][/url]
[URL="https://ibb.co/0QXnSG9][/url]
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One of the Spanish sets is somewhat interesting: the six 1907 King Alfonso XIII and Queen Victoria issues. On the Spain page with the ships at the top, these are below the ship set and above the Goya set. These were sold at an exhibition in Madrid in small quantities and weren't actually good for postage, so they aren't listed in Scott (or many other catalogues). Nonetheless, most collectors of Spain include these labels in their collections.

If they are engraved and perf 11 1/2, they are originals and worth $50 or so retail as a set. However, there were many "reprints" (forgeries) put out, they usually have different perf measurements and some were produced by photogravure. The "reprints" generally have nominal value.

It looks like some of the stamps in the world album are actually stuck down, not just hinged. Stuck down stamps will have to be steamed or soaked, or some chemical solvent might be used to soften or dissolve the gum. This will generally mean a stamp with no gum, or disturbed gum, which is worth substantially less than a sound unused example with gum.

The stamps from the old Papal States (the colorful imperfs with St. Peter's keys on them) are certainly going to be either 19th century forgeries or printer's remainders; if they were genuine they'd be the most valuable stamps by far in the album. Genuine examples of the imperf issues are usually postally used (few people saved them mint and they are quite rare that way, they were issued before stamp collecting was a major thing and early stamp collectors almost all preferred used stamps anyway.) That issue also was on special glazed paper; you can see the glazing on genuine stamps tilting the stamps under light. The remainders and forgeries are abundant in both old and new collections; most worldwide collectors have a set or three, while few have genuine copies of each stamp to compare.

There's some really neat old stamps on these pages, some of them are quite interesting, but there is not much of value. Based on what I see anyway, it's probably not worth the time or money to appraise, unless maybe you have many thousands of pages like those.
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Posted 05/09/2019   05:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Yolom to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have about 700 pages of stamps in the book, plus two boxes full of stamps, so yeah I probably got about thousands of pages of stamps. Interesting information you provided on the stamps by the way...fascinating stuff! I never knew stamps could be so beautiful, complex, and have such histories. Awesome stuff man!

This is exactly what is used on my uncles stamps to attach them to the pages of the stamp book, they look exactly the same : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stamp_hinge

Here are those Canadian stamps we talked about in this thread, somebody mentioned they may be worth something :

[URL="https://ibb.co/R3KM2qf][/url]
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