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First Time Seeing Cinderella Used As Postage

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Posted 05/13/2019   9:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The bottom two stamps were not canceled because they were lower than the normal position of the machine cancel application. The facingcanceling machines look for tagging, nothing more. They cannot tell the amount paid.

Otherwise, I am puzzled why someone would get their knickers in a twist over themselves not understanding the definition of a Cinderella. I have learned far more from my own mistakes than my successes.
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Posted 05/13/2019   9:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Glenn Estus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The cover is overpaid by 1c since the rate to Canada is $1.15 (up to 2 ounces) and there are $1.16 in postage on the envelope.
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Posted 05/13/2019   9:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Perf10 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Aren't non-denominated U.S. stamps not valid for payment of international postage?
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Posted 05/13/2019   11:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JLLebbert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Non-denominated stamps (other than precancels & service indicia) are valid for international mail. I do believe that there was a short period in the late 70s or early 80s during which they were prohibited.
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Posted 05/14/2019   09:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cul_Lector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
First, let me say, for those whom I have offended or disrespected in any way, I apologize. It was not my intention to do so. Second, sometimes I see what only I want to see and that causes problems. I knew it was an US stamp. I assume since it had no monetary value it should't be on a letter. I will say that this is the best forum online. No hard feelings and I do thank you guys for the comments.
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Posted 05/14/2019   09:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Non-denominated stamps (other than precancels & service indicia) are valid for international mail. I do believe that there was a short period in the late 70s or early 80s during which they were prohibited.

John, I think the A,B,C etc stamps were for domestic use only

Peter
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Posted 05/14/2019   10:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'll try again. Defining a Cinderella: I don't propose to do so, because there are going to be many differing subtle "definitions" of what a Cinderella is, and there will be exceptions immediately pointed out to anyone's definition. That said, consider instead WHO issued the stamp/label. Was it a postal/governmental entity or a business/charity/cause? That will be a better dividing point to start with, rather than whether a number is present as you will find many governmental-issued items without denominations and conversely you will find plenty of the business/charity/cause labels (cinderallas!) with values, numbers, and costs on them. Top Value and S&H Green stamps readily come to mind as having numbers on them, yet nearly everyone would call them a cinderalla, etc.
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Posted 05/14/2019   5:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add codehappy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Defining a Cinderella: I don't propose to do so, because there are going to be many differing subtle "definitions" of what a Cinderella is, and there will be exceptions immediately pointed out to anyone's definition. That said, consider instead WHO issued the stamp/label. Was it a postal/governmental entity or a business/charity/cause? That will be a better dividing point to start with


There are cinderellas that are issued by a post office or government authority: official seals come to mind, for example.

Cinderellas are usually defined as: anything that looks like a (postal or fiscal) stamp, but isn't.
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Posted 05/24/2019   4:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add eraserman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Just because a "stamp" has no denomination does not mean that it is not a U.S. postage stamp. There are a good number of non-denominated U.S. stamps in existence. Scott 2949 (issued in 1995) is one such stamp. Scott 2948 (the WAG version of the same design) is another.


Wasn't there also a 1991 seasons greetings stamp like this. I believe it was Santa going down a chimney.
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Posted 05/24/2019   4:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add eraserman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Aren't non-denominated U.S. stamps not valid for payment of international postage?


If this were true then all global forever stamps would be useless and worthless.

Global forever stamps are non-denominated stamps that are valid for payment of international postage.
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Posted 05/24/2019   5:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Roberto59 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello.
If it was a Cinderella, it wouldn't be the first time they circulated.
I myself have circulated many and I still do.
I have also circulated FDC from other countries.
The post office only worries that it carries the correct destination and postage. Other than that, you can stick whatever you want.
Regards.
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Posted 05/24/2019   9:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add philatomic to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This USPS web page lists values for various non-denominated stamps although the most recent shown was issued in 2011. The Love stamp from the initial post is shown. In addition to 1991, non-denominated Christmas stamps were issued in 1981 and 1975 due to uncertainty about upcoming postal rate changes.

https://pe.usps.com/text/qsg300/Q604a.htm

For those who are members of the United States Stamp Society, the September 2011 issue of the US Specialist contains an article by Tony Wawrukiewicz on the use of the non-denominated 'A' through 'G' stamps on international mail. In a nutshell the article addresses the initial prohibition and later acceptance of these stamps on international mail.
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