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Posted 05/22/2019   08:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add pisti1978 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Good morning

can anyone understand where these two Russian letters started from?

thanks Simone



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Posted 05/22/2019   09:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Calstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

The second cover has a "St Petersburg" cancel.

Can you zoom in on the cancel on the first cover?
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Posted 05/22/2019   09:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
St. Peterburg for the 1st I would say.

St Petersburg circular cancel: Type I,No.4 - (26mm In general,although variable over time)
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Posted 05/22/2019   10:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree. It's a St Petersburg railway station postmark with "Varsh. Zh. D." at the bottom.
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Posted 05/22/2019   12:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Calstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Nigel...

Re the second cover.

Circular mark on lower left. "Postal Wagon"? Does this relate to rail or train?

Curious re the oval mark above the address. "Frankenvohano"?

Thank you.
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Hi Calstamp,

Yes, the Postal Wagon mark is from a TPO.

The route is identified by the two numbers at the lower right, 5-6, 5 relates to the outward route and 6 for the reverse.

My only reference for these describes 5-6 as relating to the route Vilna to Warsaw from 1872 to 1913 but it's silent on dates before then.

Perhaps someone can add to this?

The sideways figure "1" in the CDS is the station number and the number in brackets at the bottom is the serial or handstamp number.

The elliptical FRANKIROVANO mark means "franked" but I don't what purpose it has here.

The top left appears to have an instruction in Russian from the sender that this is to Austria.

Nice cover!


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Nigel...

Thanks for the addtl information and background.

Believe you are correct re the cursive notation in upper left corner. "To Austria".

Yes, interesting cover indeed.
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Apparently it is a Demetrio related too the this family.Will add some spice too your covers…

http://www.costumecocktail.com/2017...metrio-1831/

https://prioratulromanobss.wordpres...from-triest/
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Posted 05/23/2019   01:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pisti1978 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you so much for the always perfect answers, maybe I can help the images of the rectro
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Posted 05/23/2019   08:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the new scans pisti1978.

The second Russian TPO postmark appears to be for route 25-26, Warsaw to Granica / Granitsa in Poland close to the then border with Austro-Hungary.

This fits nicely with the previous route from Vilna (Vilnius) to Warsaw.

I guess it would then travel via Bratislava to Triest.

My reference (Kiryushkin & Robinson) also defines this postmark as in use from 1872 so I guess the authors have used a Russian guide from 1872 as their starting point.
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