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Posted 06/10/2019   7:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add rwoodennickel to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I picked this up on eBay, and need some help determining whether it it real or fake. I have measured the cuts against a known good version, but the right side still looks funny to me. I have purposely left out part of reverse image and will post it with explanation later.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/U-S-stamps...t=true&rt=nc



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Posted 06/10/2019   9:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My opinion is that it's fake, created from a perforated stamp.
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Posted 06/10/2019   9:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add No1philatelist to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Have no experience with these but definately noticed that the rouletting on the left and bottom appear the same, and may be similar on top. But but it appears all over the place on the right side.
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Posted 06/10/2019   9:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rwoodennickel to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the entire back. I was very disappointed that the seller mentions "some ink writing on back", and did not fully disclose what it was. I thought it to be a catalog number. Not only did it say fake, someone made it even worse by scribbling it out( black ink looked fresh, and same as writing on envelope). This one is going back, the same seller may have had to pull a fake RO93d from eBay that was listed with this one. Lesson learned, but it is tough to afford a pair.


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Posted 06/10/2019   10:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rwoodennickel to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There is no replacement for experience and reference items. Even with a tattered one to compare it with, I could not decide if "fake" was a mistake. I looked at online images and still thought this had a small chance. Thanks to revcollector for your lifetime of experience.
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Posted 06/11/2019   06:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add m and m to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
revcollector beat me to it. definitely made from a perforated stamp. measuring is not the only tool to use with roulettes. the shape of the cuts is usually the defining characteristic. looking at Eric Jackson's or Richard Friedberg's website or the big name sale m and m cats at the Seigel site will help you.
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Posted 06/11/2019   09:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
They did a very poor job on the right side which made it easier, but this example was pretty obvious. As stated above, use the PF site, power search, and SAN to look at genuine examples to compare the roulettes.
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Posted 08/07/2019   7:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rwoodennickel to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, even after notification to seller that item was identified as fake, went back up for sale and fetched far more than I paid. Maybe the buyer will be aware. Pretty sure nobody puts "FAKE" in purple ink on back of perfectly good stamp. Wait.... crossing it out with black ink makes it ok, right?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/U-S-stamps....m1438.l2649




Edit for sarcasm, maybe it will get sent off for grading!
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Posted 08/09/2019   12:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add southpaw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Buyers beware. I just had to send an M&M back to this seller for undisclosed faults. He did with no problem. But it was relieved again without disclosing the faults.
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Posted 08/09/2019   12:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add southpaw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, relisted.
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Posted 08/09/2019   10:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rwoodennickel to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have messaged seller about misidentified items, and they were changed with a thank you. But not disclosing the faults make for a lot of returns. At least for the experienced collector.
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Posted 08/09/2019   5:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Gizzmo4222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
faults were listed under "description". A lot of people do not read beyond the title.
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Posted 08/10/2019   12:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add southpaw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not in my case. "Heavy hinging" was mentioned in the description. Not mentioned was that the hinges were really paper patches, some with perforations cut into them. The scan was not good enough to really see this from the front.
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