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How Often Do You Strike Lucky With Rare Varieties?

 
 
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Posted 06/11/2019   08:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add steevh to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I've never been a fan of 'fly-specking', and never seem to have any luck finding the errors listed in the catalogues.

But what I do seem to have quite a lot of luck with is finding the rarer perf. varieties.

Just a couple of days ago I was going through some Trinidad and Tobago definitives, the QEII set from about 1960. The 60c has two perf. varieties, with CV of 0.30 and 50.00 respectively (Gibbons 2018). With only 6 or 7 copies I figured the chance I would have the rare perf. was zero. But I did have one copy of it!

Downside was that it was creased. Still, makes a nice spacefiller.
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Posted 06/11/2019   08:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Trainwreck to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rarely.
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Posted 06/11/2019   08:26 am  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Depends on how 'rare' is defined.

Some folks define rare has 'only a handful of known stamps'. If this is the definition then very few hobbyists will ever find a rare variety.

Other folks define rare as a catalog value above XX amount. If this is the definition then most every hobbyists will find some quite often.

I agree that seeking perforation and watermark varieties is fruitful because many casual hobbyists or dealers with time constraints do not bother with digging that deep on many stamps.
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Posted 06/11/2019   6:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add codehappy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Only a couple times in the last thirty years I've found a valuable (say $1,000 or up) rarity that was overlooked by the seller or auction house. It does happen, but it's unusual.

Perhaps my biggest "find" out in the wild (from a non-philatelic seller) was an 1880s Scott International that I purchased from a used bookstore for $150; it had a substantial number of nice earlies, including genuine first issues of Japan and China in sets, though of course everything was glued down and it took a lot of care to remove the stamps, especially the rice paper ones, without damage. After you figure in all of the work it took to recover the goodies, it maybe wasn't a huge coup, but still very nice.

However, I've found many scarce or rare varieties over the years that aren't particularly valuable, because they're either from unpopular countries or highly specialized areas (so, low supply but also low demand). Most large collections I've purchased have had at least a couple stamps like that. Certainly those kinds of "finds" are much more frequent.
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Posted 06/11/2019   6:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Don's perspective is useful and well stated, as usual.

As far as varieties and plate flaws are concerned, I am still looking and finding them regularly
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Posted 06/11/2019   6:40 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In my case, I find varieties quite frequently, as I hunt specifically for them when going through dealer stocks, circuits, eBay, etc. Not all are "rare" in a monetary sense, but some are quite rare with respect to population/findability. There are certain varieties that don't catalog more than a few dollars that I have been hunting for, for over a decade... so it all depends on how you define "rare".

One of my best discoveries was this this lot, which ultimately ended up producing not just one but two U.S. Scott # R15e when all was said and done:

http://goscf.com/t/38480
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Posted 06/11/2019   6:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In my specialty, precancels, it happens more often than you might expect... one reason in favor of precancels.
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Posted 06/11/2019   8:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kirks to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've been collecting for 30 years -- I'll let you know when it happens.


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Posted 06/11/2019   10:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've been very fortunate. A 20+ year focus on KGVI allowed me to understand some varieties that aren't easy to spot. I've found 3 copies of the Jamaica 5/- line perf that was sent to the Colony but not handled by the agents. All other perf 14's for this denomination were issued perfed comb. Most of the line perfs were used on parcels, as 5/- was the parcel rate in Jamaica at that time. Thus mint copies are extremely scarce. Scott has never listed this perf in the main catalog, and off the top I don't know if the Scott Classic Specialized lists this printing. The last copy I found was in a Jamaica collection offered for direct sale by Apfelbaum's. Maybe I'll tell Missy about it some time.

I have found 2 copies of the Falkland 5/- "indigo" which Scott does list but which very few collectors can correctly identify. Interestingly, the indigo head plate color is not the way to identify this stamp. The yellow-brown frame plate is quite unique and recognizable with practice. But the easiest way to identify this stamp is the gum, which among the 4 printings of this value is unique and unmistakable. The KGVI member here who frequently posts links to his research website taught me about the gum.

I found a few scarce Bermuda keyplates including the 10/- line perf (again not listed by Scott), 2 Lemon-yellow 12/- (not at all easy to identify so luck assisted me in finding them), and a gash-in-chin variety that morphed from a $9 purchase into a $700+ sale in a GB auction.

My life's dream would be to find a Bahamas KGVI 5/- second printing but this stamp is evidently so rare that even very strong specialists in KGVI have never found one (I do not consider my self any more than a "decent" KGVI specialist, certainly not strong). This stamp is extremely rare because most of the printing, upon receipt in the Colony, was overprinted for the "Landfall" set in 1942.
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Posted 06/12/2019   03:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Johan Buvelot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Only once, many years ago.

A simple but very clean German Empire collection which I bought for around 100 us dollar.

There were nice full postmarks and complete sets in the collection.

I also researched the material for watermarks. especially around the 1900 1920 area but also later.

Lightning struck twice. A 96W 3 mark with watermark rings used and a 401Y Watermark lying down used, were in the collection.

Keep searching it can happen.
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Posted 06/12/2019   1:17 pm  Show Profile Check rlsny's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My inventory consists of a bunch of old Scott US albums. The biggest source of surprises come from banknotes. On average 50% of banknotes I find are misidentified. Often later stamps are put into earlier slots but occasionally a stamp catalogued as a later issue is actually early. Sometimes people fail to notice grills. That's always a nice surprise. Similarly for 1867 grills - it's always a surprise when an apparently common stamp turns out to have a grill. I very recently came across a sound unused Scott 95 that was put in as a 75. Nothing super rare, but plenty of nice surprises.
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Posted 06/14/2019   3:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Climber Steve to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If one wants to take the "plunge" into hunting for rare varieties, look for collections of the classic issues of Mexico with the district overprints. Some districts are very rare. Some items have never been seen even though the Mexican post office has records of how many were sent and how many were returned, going all the way back to the first issues of 1856.

The Scott catalog makes only a quick reference to the potential. You'll need the Follansbee catalog to make it happen.
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Edited by Climber Steve - 06/14/2019 3:24 pm
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Posted 06/15/2019   1:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Boxcar1954 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This highlights a parallel to Studebaker51's comment: knowledge is the key here, one has to know where to look.
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