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Posted 06/22/2019   12:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Calstamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

Greetings.

Recently saw an issue from Hungary's 1916 - 1918 "harvesting wheat" series with a Romanian royal seal overprint in black. This overprint is nearly identical to the common Romanian watermark. And bears the motto: Nimil Sine Deo (Nothing Without God).

Realize the Kingdom of Romania (1878 - 1947) was ruled by relatives of the German Hohenzolleren royal family. And hence the crest.

But why would Hungarian stamps be overprinted with the Romanian royal crest?

Jim in SoCal
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Posted 06/22/2019   1:48 pm  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Post-WWI occupations -

http://www.romaniastamps.com/j
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Posted 06/22/2019   2:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Calstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Thank you, GeoffHa
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Posted 06/22/2019   11:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Link does not work, may we have a scan please Jim?
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Posted 06/23/2019   04:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Calstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Rod...

Delete the letter "j" from the end of the link address.
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Posted 06/23/2019   05:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, still could not find anything. Sigh.
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Posted 06/23/2019   06:05 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod - sorry - it's the Romania stamps site you'll be accustomed to using.
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Posted 06/23/2019   5:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Rod - sorry - it's the Romania stamps site you'll be accustomed to using.


Yes, Geoff,
but I am not au fait with Romanian Opt on Hungary wheatsheaf,
I need a scan.....
Pointing to just a link with various drop boxes is not helpful.
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Posted 06/25/2019   11:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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But why would Hungarian stamps be overprinted with the Romanian royal crest?

In short, Hungary was invaded by Romania in 1918 and Romania overprinted Hungarian stamps found. This is either the oval overprint ("First Debrecen", named for the captured city), or the round overprint ("Second Transylvania"). Both exist on other Hungarian issues of the time.

There are many, many forgeries around. Another reference:
http://postww1stampforgeries.org/hu...n-1st-issue/

http://bigblue1840-1940.blogspot.co...fficial.html
The 5f harvesters has a genuine First Debrecen overprint, the postage due does not (sorry, Big Blue).
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Posted 06/26/2019   12:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gmot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Scans of a couple I have -

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Posted 06/26/2019   04:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Right,
nice to see some scans, now I am aware of what issues.
I have most of them, possibly forgeries.

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I backed off the j at the end and now the link works. Good link, Thanks.
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Posted 07/05/2019   8:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DC3 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Correct is "Nihil sine Deo"; and Hohenzollern.
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