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Used Forged Souvenir Sheets And Se-tenant Multiples?

 
 
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Posted 07/23/2019   9:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add JR1960 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi all, I was reading through my 2013 copy of the Unitrade catalogue and there is a reference in the intro that reads as follows:

"Be aware that at least one source has been creating used souvenir sheets and se-tenant multiples by using an out-of-period cancelling device and offering these for sale."

Does anyone know to what they are referring, and are there any examples out there? I could not find anything online.
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Posted 07/24/2019   10:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tkoops to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I do recall seeing them on eBay. It was a Quebec cancellation...
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Posted 07/24/2019   11:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add codehappy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Was it readily recognizable as being out-of-period? That's the only hint that statement gives.
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Posted 07/25/2019   8:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JR1960 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Right, but what is wrong with cancelling genuine stamps?

I recall often getting mail from dealers with blocks and se-tenant multiples which obviously get cancelled with out of period cancels.

I don't understand what the warning is for.
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Posted 07/26/2019   02:03 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Isn't the suggestion that the "source" has been using his own cancellation device, rather than their having been cancelled by the post office?
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Posted 07/26/2019   10:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sak to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I started a topic on 01/21/2015 called: "World Junior Hockey Championship - Same Day Cover"
It featured a Picture Post stamp (which takes weeks to arrive) with a date the same as was printed on the stamp!
This is impossible!
Perhaps this is the seller that Unitrade is referring to. He made a few of these "First Day Covers" for sale on eBay.
He was obvioiusly cancelling them himself: Kalona BC, I believe.
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Posted 07/27/2019   09:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JR1960 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
GeoffHa, good point, I think that's it.

That still begs the question, what would someone gain by doing this? Turning mint stamps into used seems like a poorly considered scheme. Unless they are trying to create forgeries of first day of issue cancels? Forgive me, I don't quite get it.
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Posted 07/27/2019   1:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Gilles le timbre to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One example of cancelling new stamps is to create a philatelic cover showing in use of special items such as se-tenant pairs of the recently issued Bear stamp. This one is a cover from the uncut sheet (1500 issued) and only a few such pairs probably cancelled on day of issue (in fact this one was canncelled and sent 1 day before it being issued). This makes for an unusual item for bears collectors.
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Posted 07/27/2019   2:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JR1960 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I see, thanks Gilles, that makes sense.

Are there other advantages or is it basically limited to creating covers?

Any advice for spotting such "fakes?"
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Posted 07/27/2019   4:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Gilles le timbre to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
JR1960, look at Unitrade on pp 640 and 641. Generally the used ones (with different configuration from normal philatelic/over the counter stock) from uncut sheets are more valuable than mint NH. Not a large difference, but in the long run, they are far fewer, and may command a small premium, to the specialized collector.
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