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2c Harding - Common Or Rare Variety?

 
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Posted 08/16/2019   11:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add DanCafc1995 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi, I'm new to stamp collecting, and I recently discovered an old album
That was my grandfathers, is there any possibility that this stamp is one of the valuable variety?.
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Posted 08/16/2019   11:39 am  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome.
Here is a link, towards the bottom of the page is more information on this stamp.
http://stampsmarter.com/1847usa/ByYear/1923.html
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Posted 08/16/2019   6:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add codehappy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One point to highlight on that page:

Flat plate perf 11: 1,459,487,085 issued
Rotary waste perf 11: 43 examples known

Pretty long odds that any perf 11 Harding will be the rare #613.
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Posted 08/16/2019   6:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StatesmanStamper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 08/19/2019   09:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ajuchum to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just wondering. These stamps were likely printed in sheets of 100 or 400. Why does the total end in 085? Did they take out ones damaged in printing and only count those actually sent to the post offices?
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Posted 08/19/2019   2:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DanCafc1995 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So in order to distinguish the rare version of this stamp from the common I have to measure the side of the design and it should measure 22 1/2mm?
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Posted 08/19/2019   2:54 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Trying to determine rotary printed stamp with measuring is very difficult and most of the time leads to incorrect conclusions. This article will help you learn how to best determine printing methods
http://stampsmarter.com/learning/Ma...methods.html
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Posted 08/19/2019   8:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add finches to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
51 Studibaker...Don,

'Interesting to say the least' reading the following from Appendix 1 for the first time......"STAMP SMARTERS Rotary press Rarities". then the Penny dropped.


Quote... A rotary press perf 11 stamp is not the same as a flat plate perf 11 on 552, also used on the coil waste stamp (594) or sheet waste stamp (596).

Start with correct use of a perforation gauge and accurate perforation measurements
The first attribute of catalog number 596 is that it has perforations of gauge 11 on all sides. This does not mean 11 holes, or 11 tips, on any side. It means the gauge of the perforations is 11; gauge is defined as the number of perforation holes in a linear distance of 2 cm.
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Posted 08/19/2019   11:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Louise411 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
2 Flat Plate Perf 11
1,459,487,085 issued
First Day: Sept. 1, 1923
On the stampsmarter site which is a very informative site. I collect Harding's separately.
Is the above number of issues correct?
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Posted 08/20/2019   12:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
1,459,487,085 is also the quantity given in Scott. Scott notes that the quantity may be one of 4 possibilities: # sold, approximate # sold, # delivered to post offices, or # printed. Unfortunately, Scott does not let us know which of those 4 possibilities for any given stamp.
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Posted 08/20/2019   08:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ajuchum to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, just curious.
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Posted 08/23/2019   03:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Louise411 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, I just got back to this and the info is welcome.
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Posted 08/27/2019   11:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DanCafc1995 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have distinguished that the stamp is a perf 11 so do I now need to measure the stamp?
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Posted 08/27/2019   11:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JLLebbert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Measurement by ruler is not the way to go. Instead, measure your stamp against a rotary press stamp that would be similar in size to the rare Harding. Use the link provided in Don's earlier post to learn which stamp(s) are best used for comparison.
Added: The idea is to determine whether your stamp is a flat plate or rotary press stamp. There are two perf 11 Hardings, one printed via each method. Comparing your stamp to a known flat plate or rotary press stamp can help determine which it is. You can also check the reverse side of the stamp for "setoff" this is ink left on the stamp when sheets were stacked during the drying process. Setoff on rotary stamps is rare while it is common on flat plates.
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Posted 08/27/2019   12:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The op needs to be aware that we are talking about a .25 mm difference in height. Comparing it to another rotary press design's dimensions is not really that indicative of anything. A .25 mm is pretty much something that needs to be done at an expert level and the odds of this becoming number 51 in the census are slim to none. Not being harsh, just practical.
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Posted 08/27/2019   12:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DanCafc1995 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
All I can see on the reverse of the stamp is the black mark from where it has been stamped on the front, I'll try and get a picture up but can't seem too be able to upload it.
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