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Posted 08/17/2019   7:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add EMaxim to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Can anyone help to understand why this stamp of the Straits Settlements (1883, Scott #45) is cancelled Hong Kong?
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Posted 08/17/2019   8:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Security Hand stamp in Violet G & Co (Commercial Overprint) Gilman & Company
(Agents for Maritime Insurance companies situated in Hong Kong)

Perhaps an arrival marking Commercial papers to the Hong Kong and Shanghai Banking Corp, cancelled in transit.?


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Edited by rod222 - 08/17/2019 8:36 pm
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Posted 08/17/2019   9:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add EMaxim to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, Rod, for sharing your knowledge. Great explanation.
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Posted 08/17/2019   11:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You're welcom Eric,
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Edited by rod222 - 08/17/2019 11:08 pm
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Posted 08/21/2019   06:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add steevh to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Could it not also be a Paquebot cancel?

I have quite a few HK stamps cancelled in Singapore, and that's what I figured they might be.
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Posted 08/21/2019   09:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's a keeper! :)
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Posted 08/21/2019   12:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add EMaxim to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Paquebot seems like a good idea. My bit of research online turns up examples that look a lot like the one above. There would have been a handstamp elsewhere on the cover to indicate that this item was posted on ship in transit. The DTS would be that of the port of entry. See http://paquebot.info/?s=Hong+Kong&lang=en
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Posted 08/21/2019   12:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add EMaxim to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a nice example:
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Posted 12/14/2019   02:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sopotsopot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have one


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Posted 12/15/2019   10:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Climber Steve to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stamps of one issuing entity being postmarked in another entity is a common practice in the general area in and near Hong Kong.

I have Macau stamps that were cancelled in Hong Kong and Canton (China). Also have Victorian Hong Kong stamps cancelled in Shanghai, Yokohama, and similar, long before Hong Kong stamps were overprinted China.
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Posted 12/15/2019   11:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yang's catalogue of HK stamps and postal history makes no special mention of this particular combination; it is touched on generally as 'arrival markings.'
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The best explanation I have found is from "The Philatelic and Postal History of Hong Kong and the Treaty Ports of China and Japan" by F.W. Webb on page 338.

Summarizing this page, there are three types:

Ship Markings
Paquebot Markings
Arrival Markings

"Ship markings" loosely covers all markings connected with ships, for example, "Posted at Sea" markings.

Paquebot markings were not applied on board ships. They were the cancellations used at ports throughout the world under arrangement with the Universal Postal Union to frank correspondence received from seagoing ships. The word itself was chosen for international use because French was the official language used at UPU Congress meetings. Great Britain was the first to introduce these markings in 1894, and from 1897 onwards, they were in general use worldwide.

Arrival markings resulted when the letter was cancelled at the ship's port of arrival. Many of these letters were put on board ship at the last minute after the official mail bags had been closed at departure, while others were written on board and franked with stamps in possession of the writer or purchased on board ship. Many of these cancels are pre-paquebot markings.

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Edited by Linus - 12/15/2019 12:13 pm
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Posted 12/15/2019   12:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add EMaxim to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great info. From now on I'll keep a better eye out for cancellations of this sort.
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