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Another 3c 1851-57 Washington To Plate - Green Cancel, Clear Impression.

 
 
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Posted 08/19/2019   11:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Philazilla to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I'm really interested in this one because of the green cancel, but I've gotten nowhere so far in trying to plate it.

- Type II - this is an 11A
- I see no guide dots, but I still think it is a B-Relief. Maybe there are guide dots that got trimmed off the top?
- The UR triangle has been recut (recut #11)
- The left inner frame line goes too high (recut #23)
- The right inner frame line goes down too far (recut #25)
- The right inner frame line goes all the way up (does not seem to be a numbered Chase or McDaniel recut)
- The UR diamond block looks wide
- The UR triangle looks short
- The spacing between the right inner and outer frame lines looks wide.

I looked through about 200 positions and none seemed to match these characteristics. . .maybe I am off somewhere?

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Posted 08/20/2019   05:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
When I plate 3c stamps I first consider shade, apparent plate and impression characteristics, and even cancel. Using that first filter, I assume that the stamp was printed from either Plate 2L or 3. This stamp is an obvious bottom row stamp with 2 lines recut in ULT. That should narrow the search to a small handful of positions.
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Posted 08/20/2019   05:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I figure a March 1854 usage...
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Posted 08/20/2019   08:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tgswanner to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Plug in the characteristics on the stampplating site -- 11A, 2 inner lines, 2 lines recut ULT, B relief, plate 2L and 3, etc, and it really narrows down your possibilities. And since you are looking at a bottom row position, it gets narrowed even further. 97L2L looks pretty close to me. What say y'all? Nice stamp by the way.
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Posted 08/20/2019   11:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In the other thread, I should have mentioned that bottom row stamps typically don't have guide dots. They are usually B reliefs, with some notable exceptions.
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Posted 08/20/2019   5:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Philazilla to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'd say 97L2L too . ..There were only 6 possible positions given the two plates to look at and the DOUBLE recut in the RL triangle (and being a bottom-row stamp). Single vs double recuts in the UL triangle is tough to distinguish. Thanks for the help on this one!
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Posted 08/21/2019   02:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You may already know, but the cancel appears to be that of the town of Washington, either Massachusetts or Mississippi. There is a book on Berkshire County postmarks for the Massachusetts town, and a Helbock cancel book including Mississippi that would likely settle that question if not known.
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Edited by hy-brasil - 08/21/2019 02:34 am
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Posted 08/22/2019   9:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Philazilla to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the tip on the cancellation. I have not yet learned much about cancellations. I'll see if I can find the Helbock book.
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