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Posted 09/18/2019   10:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Stamps4Life to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I cant make out the Wmk on the one on the R. Would they both be considered "Overprinted" or is the one on the right overprinted and the left one stamped? I think they are both O162 Scott - yes or no. Tks much.

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Posted 09/18/2019   10:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rdavid to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Left one canceled, right one overprinted
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so I think they are both cancelled. Its that I think the left one has the relief part in the cancel while the right one is overprinted, right? Just trying to get the terminology right. I think they are the same stamp. tks
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Posted 09/18/2019   11:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 22crows to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It would be useful for you to read this article about the printed and rubberstamped versions of this stamp:

Refuge Relief Stamps of India - by Dwarkadas Jivandas (google it)
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It would be useful for you to read this article about the printed and rubberstamped versions of this stamp:

Refuge Relief Stamps of India - by Dwarkadas Jivandas (google it)


Ahh, thank you. Overprint vs hand stamp. I didnt see where Scott made the differentiation. Tks for the article tip
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The handstamp is not in Scott. Scott probably does not list it on the basis that is a provisional item, locally produced. It it still a collectible postal item.
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I have an older Scott catalog, and both stamps are shown as Officials. The one without the overprint is listed as Scott O161 and the overprinted stamps is Scott O162. Neither one has any significant value.
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The handstamp is not in Scott

There are various specialized catalogs for a reason. For example, Scott fails spectacularly for my Germany collecting.
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tks all. as mentioned was not sure of the category, thats why I asked. much good info here and thanks again for the article reference. sometimes I loose site of the fact that the catalogue cant be all things to all people. another good example of how this is a great place to learn.
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Although I agree that Scott is not a specialized catalog, both of these stamps are listed in Scott. You just have to look under the Official stamps to find them.
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Although I agree that Scott is not a specialized catalog, both of these stamps are listed in Scott. You just have to look under the Official stamps to find them.


I cant make out the Wmk on the one on the R. Would they both be considered "Overprinted" or is the one on the right overprinted and the left one stamped? I think they are both O162 Scott - yes or no. Tks much.


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I have an older Scott catalog, and both stamps are shown as Officials. The one without the overprint is listed as Scott O161 and the overprinted stamps is Scott O162. Neither one has any significant value.


tks for the clarification. was not sure about how to handle the cancel vs overprint.
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Edited by Stamps4Life - 09/20/2019 2:43 pm
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The hand stamped overprint came from an office that didn't receive a supply of the printed overprinted stamps. A hand stamped Official and a printed Official.
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Terminology nuance - overprint vs cancel.
The left stamp has a handstamp overprint, the right stamp has a press-printed overprint.
Neither of these overprints would have "canceled" the stamp.
The canceling was done in both cases with the circular cancels applied later.
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Neither of these overprints would have "canceled" the stamp.

Correct - but these 2 do show cancels, one minor and 1 more noticeable I believe, right?
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