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Posted 10/18/2019   12:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add manosp to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Paper watermarks on old document , does anyone know what they use for and if they have any value ?





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Posted 10/18/2019   3:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add m and m to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
initially they served to identify the paper maker before the widespread use of machine made paper. afterwards they were also a mark of quality for better handmade papers. they also served as a security feature for both kinds.
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Posted 10/18/2019   4:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I do not see anything of value in these documents. Common stuff from Alexandria,property sales.The watermarks are nothing extraordinary.All papers in that time period had many different papermakers names."Ettore de Ritter Podgora" could interest someone collecting
paper makers names.I Ritter was well known and came from an old family of Frankfurt.He moved in the town of Gorizia(near Venice) in the mid 19th century.Later as president of the Chamber of commerce of Gorizia he became very influential.He owned cotton mills and the papers watermark is one of his lagacies.He died in 1878 in Vienna.

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Posted 10/18/2019   5:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I love old documents, especially when they bear stamps that form part of my overall collection.

Thanks for showing manosp
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Posted 10/18/2019   6:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Lovely watermarks, enjoyed viewing yours,
How did you manage to capture? backlit and camera?
First time I have seen this query on a stamp forum.

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Posted 10/18/2019   7:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add manosp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks m and m, perf12, Bobby De La Rue, rod222 !

rod222, backlit and camera , yes that way !

Bobby De La Ru, from the document of Ettore de Ritter, I will make another photo from the other page of the Document with the lion watermark tommorow, is really beautiful one !

Perf12, thanks for the information of Ettore de Ritter ! , Now from the other side the document with the Colne Valley watermark, is a document from Crete (La Canea area).. For more references about the watermark you can check here
https://www.trmt.org.uk/Research-Ed...hn-Dickinson
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Posted 10/18/2019   7:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have a very foggy memory, as a kid, seeing watermarks on blue British Airmail envelopes? Prop driven aircraft as I recall.
I have no substantiating evidence.




http://www.memoryofpaper.eu:8080/Be...l_start.disp
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Edited by rod222 - 10/18/2019 7:57 pm
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Your "Colne Valley Parchment" is listed (Glasgow Great Britain) ................see above link
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Posted 10/18/2019   8:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ettore de Ritter Podgora not listed, albeit "Ritter" appears ubequitous.

Noted in "Samaritan Scribes and Manuscripts" (Jewish I presume)

Podgora is located in present Croatia.
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Posted 10/19/2019   4:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add manosp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the info rod222, but I think means the podgora Italy according this link https://letsgo.gorizia.it/it/sagome/ettore-ritter/
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Posted 10/19/2019   4:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well done manosp, solved.

Sadly, "memory of paper" offers no webmaster contact, so we could not add your Podgora to the database.

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Posted 10/21/2019   12:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add manosp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here are the two pages of ettore de ritter watermarks



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Posted 10/21/2019   6:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I really like the background paper screening, fascinating.
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