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Posted 11/15/2019   1:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add sopotsopot to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Are these known and repetitive errors or accidental?



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Posted 11/15/2019   2:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Neither looks like an error.
The first one looks like it might have been a paperfold
The bottom one could be a constant variety where something foreign got on the plate
Both seem like EFO's and are very collectible

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Posted 11/15/2019   4:47 pm  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
sopotsopot,

The top of the swan stamp looks as though the paper has been displaced/compromised in some way - perhaps a rejoined tear. Examine the back of the stamp carefully under high power magnification and also examine with strong backlighting to look for the tell-tale dark line of a tear.

The Victoria '6d adapted design' flaw after P is constant. They were printed as sheets of 120 in four blocks of thirty. That flaw is found in position 22 of the lower right block of thirty.
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Posted 11/17/2019   5:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sopotsopot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


Thank you very much for all the information
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Posted 12/03/2019   1:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sopotsopot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It took a while, but I tried to take better pictures of the swan. I don't see any damage to the paper here.





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Posted 12/05/2019   12:40 am  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting scans sopotsopot.

The back of the stamp has something of the look of a repair (differing colour/textures in the vicinity) but in contrast, the front has some nice continuity of ink distribution across the displaced area.

If you wish to gain expert advice, you might like to contact the Western Australia Study Group for help:
http://www.wastudygroup.com/

Please let us know how you go.



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Posted 12/05/2019   04:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add finches to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sopotsopot,

The 'X' & line beneath look interesting on 6d Victoria. Cancellation appears to cover what looks like a beard imo.(lol)

I agree with Peter4522....very collectable.
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Posted 12/05/2019   09:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sopotsopot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I sent a question to them, waiting for an answer
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The back of the stamp has something of the look of a repair (differing colour/textures in the vicinity)


Agreed,
Opinion: Scan is poor, no watermark mentioned, no perforation guage mentioned.
Very difficult to assess without basic philatelic information.

If you do become in touch with the study group, please enquire on the Postmark.
It looks to me it may be a 15 bar "9" which is scarce, I'd like others opinions on that.

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Posted 12/07/2019   01:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sopotsopot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Of course, I apologize for the lack of basic data at the beginning. Watermark Crown CC reversed, perforation 12 1/2.

This other material at the top is probably the remains of the hinge. I will try to delete it today.

Thank you very much for your time and attention. I hope that we will be able to complete the investigation :)



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Watermark Crown CC reversed, perforation 12 1/2.


Thank you.
It could have been any of Perforated 1861-1890
No Watermark
Watermark 33 (swan) ,34 (crown over CC) or ,or 35 (Crown over CA)
Perf 12-16

Opinion: A drastic damage like your would have been widely known, I have not come across it in my time, but let's see........
I'll do some more research.

Suggestions:
16th May 1864 PMG ordered 2,000 sheets of the 6d on Crown CC paper.
First despatch was fowarded on the steamer "Poonah" by De la Rue 19th September 1864
400 sheets
These printings were made by a line machine guage 12.5
(The old line 13 machine was used , having been re-aligned and cleaned, and generally overhauled...resulting in a 12.5 guage)



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Notes of Interest on the "Black Swan"

The colony (Western Australia) was the first in Australasia to issue stamps manufactured by Perkins Bacon.

The engravings made by William Humphreys.
Completed in 1852 at the same time as those for the Cape Triangulars, which having been made in the same period, may have suggested making up the background of the Black Swan

JWM Stone in "The London Philatelist" december 1968 shows how the background was made fitting together entries from two triangular transfer rollers which were taken from the central strip of the SPECIMEN bank note.

Source: Western Australia: The stamps and Postal History: The WA Study Group.


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Posted 12/07/2019   02:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sopotsopot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
According to me it must be SG57x or SG58x or SG60x (I can't name the color).
I just received an email from WASG and will send them the best possible scans. I hope we'll find out something else.
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Don't forget to ask about the Postmark !


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(I can't name the color).

Between Dull Violet and Deep Lilac.

Gibbons do not list a "Indigo Violet" in their colour sheet I used "slate Violet"
I'd bank on it being "Violet" SG #57
Bearing in mind scanner colours
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"Pins tended to tear and weaken the paper"
Source Mogens Juhl.

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Edited by rod222 - 12/07/2019 02:48 am
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