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Scott 591- What Perfin Is This..?

 
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Posted 11/19/2019   6:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add wert to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi guys
Not and expert on American stamps..I have what I think is a Scott 591 that has a precancel, but have NO idea what the perfin is.
Any help appreciated. Stamp not in the best shape.

And if a stamp has a perfin already, why precancel over top..?

Robert


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Posted 11/19/2019   7:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add larhand to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
HI,
Also not an expert but the left side appears to be a "J" and the right side appears to be a very lazy "S". It's a guess no matter how one looks at it. Next time try using a white background so the perfs aren't so hard to see behind the precancel black lines.
Good luck,
Larry
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Posted 11/19/2019   7:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Larry
I think it looks more like a capital "I"..
Robert

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Posted 11/19/2019   7:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Scan from the back side against a black background to eliminate the distractions of the front.
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Posted 11/19/2019   8:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wkusau to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ferfins are a security measure to keep employees from stealing the stamps. There is no postal benefit. Pre-cancels are used to get a lower postage rate when mailing because they are cancelled already and do not need to be handled as much. The two have nothing to do with each other.

I am sure that wert is correct about the capital I. The second letter might be an R if the letters are punched to be read from the back.
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Posted 11/19/2019   8:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
this precancel was applied at the time the stamp was printed in Washington DC, the perfin came later at the user's mailroom
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Posted 11/19/2019   8:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
perfin is IB used by Irving Berlin Inc.
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Posted 11/19/2019   8:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
First of all..John old buddy, I took a scan of this stamp over a year ago, and is packed in boxes some where...Could take me till the new year to find it...haha

I used a program to make colour differences as shown..It is definitely a capital "I"

The right perfin looks a lot like a "&" sign.
I have been using the link below to find it, without much luck.
http://zenius.kalnieciai.lt/america...usa/usa.html




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perfin is IB used by Irving Berlin Inc.
..huuuummm
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Edited by wert - 11/19/2019 8:37 pm
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Posted 11/19/2019   8:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Consider the Perfin, may appear in 4 forms.
Reversed, upside down, etc.
I'd agree with Chasa, Irving Berlin

missed the dot below the E
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Edited by rod222 - 11/19/2019 8:50 pm
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Posted 11/19/2019   9:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys..i will call it Irving Berlin Inc.

Thanks..Robert



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Edited by wert - 11/19/2019 9:38 pm
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Posted 11/20/2019   08:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rmatossian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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the right side appears to be a very lazy "S"


If the perfin is IB, then all the curvy S-ish stuff on the right side of the stamp would be the rest of the B.

Please don't "duh" me if this is too obvious.
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Posted 11/24/2019   12:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tommtomm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's definitely IB
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Posted 11/24/2019   12:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks tommtomm

Neat trick with the overlap...I will try that technique..
Yes, definitely "IB"
Robert
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