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Are These Penny Reds And 2p Blues Considered Decent Examples?

 
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Posted 11/24/2019   8:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Hab to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi all,

Spending time going through an inherited collection and came across these 3 penny reds and 2 2p blues. I am overwhelmed by all the in's and out's of identifying and classifying these stamps. I realize the pictures are not the best but I don't have a scanner. Is there enough here to have a bit of an idea of what I have here? I am not expecting great value as I can tell they are not the obvious holy grail plate 77 etc, but are they decent examples?

Thanks for any insight!






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Posted 11/24/2019   10:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chipg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Decent examples.
Not the best possible, but not to be trashed.

Actually, you may have a plate 77 in there. Can't tell at first look. However, it would be a plate 77 of an earlier issue than the rare plate 77.

So, they issued imperforate 1d reds from about 175 different plates. You can plate them by looking at minute variations in the letters at the bottom and other little printing characteristics. To do so, you'll need a pretty deep reference library and a lot more talent for this kind of thing than I have.

They started perforating these stamps printed from the plates designed for imperforate stamps. On them the spacing was really tight and the images were not necessarily straight. First perforated are known as "Archer trials." When they worked, they started perforating them in earnest. These stamps have the little stars at the top (as do yours). Finding perfectly centered examples of "penny stars" is hard.

Later, they started printing with letters in all four corners. This issue has the "plate 77" rarity. You don't have any of this issue illustrated.

For the 2d blues, your imperforate example is pretty good. Four clear margins. Stamp is either from plate 3 or 4. (Plates 1 and 2 were used to print 2d blues without the white lines above and below the Queen's head. Like the reds, they then issued perforated stamps of the same design (up to plate 9, I believe). Then they started with the letters in all corner issue.

Hope you found this interesting, at least.

(now you can try to find ones with your initials in the corners, provided your initials fall between AA and TL)
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Posted 11/24/2019   10:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Hope you found this interesting, at least.


I certainly did, great overview of something I personally find difficult,
great post. Thank you.

Your 2d Blue, looks like it had a numeral straight line duplex Postmark
(From 1854)
Possible Aberdeen, Scotland. (Numeral 1, 3-4-4-3)
Circa 1858

Also your Penny Red "A.D"
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Edited by rod222 - 11/24/2019 10:45 pm
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Posted 11/25/2019   12:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely both Aberdeen Rod, well spotted!
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Posted 11/25/2019   03:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add flip138 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The imperforate 2d blue also has a Scottish numeral postmark, looks like 131 for Edinburgh.

Phil
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Nice catch Phil !

What about the Diamond Barred Poss 20? Ireland (Armagh)
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Edited by rod222 - 11/25/2019 04:37 am
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What about the Diamond Barred Poss 20? Ireland (Armagh)
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Hi Rod,

How about 23 (Antrim)?

I believe 20 is Athy in County Kildare while Armagh is 8.

Here's a useful page for Antrim postmarks from the North of Ireland Philatelic Society:

http://www.cui.org.uk/NIPS/Antrim.html
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Posted 11/25/2019   09:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Hab to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow you are all such a wealth of intonation! Thanks to everyone, especially chipg... Very interesting to say the least! I will be looking to expand my knowledge on these for sure.
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Posted 11/25/2019   3:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I believe 20 is Athy in County Kildare while Armagh is 8.


Thank you Nigel,
I'll have to re appraise my spreadsheet, find out where I am going wrong.

What an extraordinary Antrim research page..fabulous detailed work.
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