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Identify This Us Stamp 70d Or 78c With Thin Paper?

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Posted 01/22/2020   10:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Over time, what specialized varieties get listed of a particular stamp has been somewhat haphazard. I am aware of a couple instances where a particular collector personally owned a lot of a particular variety, and was a recognized expert, so when he lobbied to get it listed, it was listed. That, no doubt has been repeated many times.

Of course, many things have been listed for perfectly legitimate reasons. I'm not implying that there is anything nefarious here. Instead, I'm implying that there are many reasons that things get listed. Including by mistake, such as listing an unused 1c Z Grill way back when. I was re-reading about that last night - it got removed eventually.

Stamp collecting is and always has been about whatever the individual collector wants it to be about. This includes as much minutia as suits a person. Catalogs do and should separate things by minutia where appropriate.

The issue is when particular varieties are so hard to identify reliably, even by experts. That is a litmus test I've often used myself, when I debate whether I think a particular item merits a listing. If the answer is that its too hard to reliably identify, then, the answer usually should be 'probably don't list it'.

An exception to that might be if the item is of significant importance, and really is a distinct difference. Then it might be worth the trouble.
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Posted 01/22/2020   8:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For anyone interested in technical research past and present specific to philately this link to The Institute for Analytical Philately Reference Library is chock full of information:

http://www.analyticalphilately.org/..._library.php

I have been reading the color related research documents in particular because of the topic of this SCF thread.

Don - If this link or material is contained within Stamp Smarter I apologize for the redundancy.

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Posted 01/23/2020   1:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BlackJack2271 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You would think that the PF would have actual samples of each of the 24c color varieties.
This is not the case as in my conversations with the PF they admitted they do not
possess reference stamps of all color shades in the Catalog. So that is why they
rely on outside experts to help identify subtype shades.
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Posted 01/23/2020   3:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting. Several decades ago, a friend, and member of this board, loaned a color chart that he made of the 24c stamp to the PF.

Back then, they had the same issue. I'm pretty sure my friend reclaimed his chart at some point, and its too bad that the PF hasn't remedied the issue over time.

I guess that something like that would require a donation in order for them to actually get the material. Then someone would have to put it together for them.
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Posted 01/23/2020   6:14 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Personally, I think they are doing it exactly the way they should. A few people at the PF cannot possibly do an adequate job of expertizing all U.S. stamps. Other experts are absolutely necessary, be they dealers, collector specialists, or some combination of the two. I am of the belief that specialists should do most expertizing, we would be talking about bad certs much less frequently.
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Posted 01/23/2020   8:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A hybrid specialist/expert scheme does make sense, as long as experts at the PF are generally ultimately responsible for condition verification : perfs, gum, faults; and specialists more for identification. In general of course.
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Posted 02/05/2020   11:43 am  Show Profile Check matttodd1's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add matttodd1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interestingly, I had been following this thread with interest over the past couple months, and happened to have my own Scott 70 in at PSE for certification. I don't know the color varieties well enough to know if I might have a scarce variety or not. Just got the results back yesterday, and it's a used 70d. Nice surprise!

[link]http://psestamp.com/Cert/01371868.html[/link]

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Posted 02/05/2020   12:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Matt - Color wise your certified 70d is nothing like the op's stamp. Congratulations by the way!
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Posted 02/05/2020   1:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mrita75 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow! Amazing
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Posted 02/05/2020   4:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add funcitypapa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would have guessed mattodd's stamp to be a steel blue but congrats anyway. I thought the PSE did not grade stamps with faults. Doesn't tears qualify as faults? Unless my eyes are deceiving me there appears to be an area just above and northwest of the left star at the top that is not present on the right star and does not appear to be a cancel. Can anyone else see what I am referring to?
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Posted 02/05/2020   6:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The cert identifies "tiny tears at top"
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Posted 02/06/2020   05:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BlackJack2271 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Matt. Comparing your 70 to mine I can
truly say that the color is very much the
same shade. Congrats. I know the PF
will not grade stamps with major faults.
I was not aware that the PSE will.

Funcitypapa I see the top left star
as one of the torn areas. Your eyes
aren't deceiving you

Update on my 70 stamp at the PF.
They say Cert. will be issued in
10 days. We will see.
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Posted 02/16/2020   07:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BlackJack2271 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Update. Contacted by the PF yesterday.
Decision coming this week as stamp was
returned by their consultant. Stay tuned.
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