Stamp Community Family of Web Sites
Thousands of stamps, consistently graded, competitively priced and hundreds of in-depth blog posts to read
Stamp Community Forum
 
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

Welcome Guest! Need help? Got a question? Inherit some stamps?
Our stamp forum is completely free! Register Now!

Help In Identifying Scott 206 Pairs

 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous Topic Topic Next Topic  
Valued Member
United States
379 Posts
Posted 12/12/2019   10:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add 3193zd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have two pairs on covers and one pair has the secret mark and the other pair doesn't it also looks like both have been reengraved top right vertical shading. Are they both 206?

this pair has no secret mark. the cover is dated 1886






this pair has secret mark. No readable date.





Send note to Staff
Michael Darabaris

Pillar Of The Community
Learn More...
3879 Posts
Posted 12/12/2019   10:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
They are both 206's. The crescent is not always visible but the upper arabesques have shading lines added,
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
362 Posts
Posted 12/12/2019   11:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wkusau to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is always suggested that you post scans or photos of the entire cover, even if you are only concerned about the stamps. The Postal Historians can tell you a lot about the covers and they enjoy doing it.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
379 Posts
Posted 12/12/2019   12:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
thanks Rod Cam. That is what I thought just wasn't sure if both could be. In Stamp Smarter it only says stamp was re-engraved. doesn't say both were re engraved. Also is it the added shading under the arabesques or the additional vertical lines added to back ground we are talking about?
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Michael Darabaris
Valued Member
United States
362 Posts
Posted 12/12/2019   12:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wkusau to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The background is the easiest to see. I think all the re-engraving of the #206 would have been the dies with the secret mark but it is not visible in many cases.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Moderator
Learn More...
7571 Posts
Posted 12/12/2019   1:04 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Images showing the re-engraved vs. not re-engraved on the 1 cent
http://stampsmarter.com/learning/ID...eIssues.html

Don
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
379 Posts
Posted 12/12/2019   1:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is another stamp. it has no shading and no secret mark. Can you help Identify?




Now compare to this stamp. Notice the shading on the left under the top left arabesque, it seems to be reengraved but not the rest of the stamp.




Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Michael Darabaris
Valued Member
United States
379 Posts
Posted 12/12/2019   1:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Another question is how do you differentiate 145 and 156 if they both don't have the secret mark?
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Michael Darabaris
Valued Member
United States
362 Posts
Posted 12/12/2019   3:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wkusau to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Your last 2 stamps are in order 145 (no secret mark) and 156 (secret mark - dash in pearl to the left of the numeral "1")
The secret mark is how you distinguish them apart.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
379 Posts
Posted 12/12/2019   4:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
But previously you stated that 156 which was re-engraved to make 206 can have both a secret mark or without. So can't 156 be found without a secret mark? And if so how is that determined? Or Am I missing something?
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Michael Darabaris
Valued Member
United States
379 Posts
Posted 12/12/2019   7:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Or are we saying that all 156 has secret mark but when re-engraving for 206 some lost their secret mark?
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Michael Darabaris
Pillar Of The Community
United States
1738 Posts
Posted 12/23/2019   4:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
So can't 156 be found without a secret mark? And if so how is that determined? Or Am I missing something?


Leaving aside your apparent misunderstanding of how the 1c was re-engraved in 1881, how would you distinguish a 156 on its normal paper but not showing a secret mark, from a 145 on its normal paper?
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Valued Member
United States
379 Posts
Posted 12/23/2019   8:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ON cover I am not sure.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Michael Darabaris
  Previous Topic Topic Next Topic  
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.


Go to Top of Page
Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Stamp Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2020 Stamp Community Family - All rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Stamp Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Privacy Policy / Terms of Use    Advertise Here
Stamp Community Forum © 2007 - 2020 Stamp Community Forums
It took 0.91 seconds to lick this stamp. Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000 Version 3.4.05