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What Does US Stamped Envelope Watermark 75 And 81 Look Like? I Assume That Is The Year Issued.

 
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Posted 12/14/2019   4:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add 3193zd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Any help with images for Scott saying '75 and '81 for Scott U45.
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Posted 12/15/2019   09:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jobi01 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
U45 is a 40c black and red entire on buff or on salmon buff diagonally laid paper and occurs only as a large envelope (105 X 249 mm) or as a cut square. Watermark is # 1, POD over US. Forgeries of the cut square exist.

The numbers you mention are years and should be related to manufacture dates of the envelope. Scott assigns 1861 as the original manufacture date of U34 through U45 with U36, the 3c letter sheet, withdrawn from sale in 1864.
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Posted 12/15/2019   10:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ThomasGalloway to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
3193zd: could you please tell us where you are seeing '75 and '81?

I can't connect your question with jobi01's response. (I have no issue with jobi01's info, by the way.)

Also, when you reference U45, are you referring to a Scott catalog number, or a Scott indicium label? Unfortunately, Scott has chosen to use the same format for the two.
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Posted 12/15/2019   10:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Tom, They are Scott U167 and Scott U171. What is the common water mark also just to be sure.
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Michael Darabaris
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Posted 12/15/2019   1:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ThomasGalloway to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
W5 common to both.
U167 sizes 6, 7, 8, 10, 21.
U171 size 10, only known used

U167:



U171 (but on fawn paper):

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Posted 12/15/2019   4:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
isn't scott U167 also on fawn paper? That is what Scott has in 2017 specialized.
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I also have Scott U164 with a W2 watermark.Is that common? No star. they also have a cream down for Scott U165. And I don't have a color sample to compare for that. I have the color chart you made a while back for this series.
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Posted 12/15/2019   7:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ThomasGalloway to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"isn't scott U167 also on fawn paper? "

The scan for U167 above IS fawn

Not so for the other.
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Edited by ThomasGalloway - 12/15/2019 9:14 pm
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Posted 12/15/2019   7:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ThomasGalloway to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"Scott U164 with a W2 watermark.Is that common?"

Yes.
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"I have the color chart you made a while back for this series."

Are you sure it was for this series? I'm remembering differently.

Specifically, cream wasn't a choice in that chart.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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I have this one I've been considering cream. Would love to see a color chart for these.



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Edited by gettinold - 12/15/2019 8:05 pm
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Posted 12/15/2019   10:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You are correct it was the next series here it is.

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