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Posted 12/21/2019   10:19 am  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add revenuecollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Dagnab it, I had hoped that this horrific practice would not rear its ugly head in the revenues field.

As controversial as this opinion might be, were I a person of infinite means, I would buy up items like this and trim them down just to get these abominations off the market.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/MOMEN-US-S...dSs&LH_BIN=1

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Posted 12/21/2019   10:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's the double whammy. Butchering of a multiple and grading of proofs.
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Posted 12/21/2019   10:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StateRevs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just saw this lot on eBay.

Disgusting.
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Posted 12/21/2019   11:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There is zero harm in grading proofs. Cutting up multiples like this example is silly though.
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Posted 12/21/2019   3:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What ever happened to having at least a pair for imperforate stamps instead of this butchery where eight surrounding stamps are ruined for the sake of one stamp? To me this is a block of nine (plate proof) stamps with eight damaged (plate proof) stamps in it. (The philatelic "keep imperforates in at least pairs" law should be passed.)
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Posted 12/21/2019   3:44 pm  Show Profile Check ericjackson's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ericjackson to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think items like this are ugly. Furthermore, at $10 per proof, the block of nine prior to destruction would have sold for $90. And then there is the cost of the certificate, so the creation of this monstrosity is, in the long run, a money loser.
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Posted 12/21/2019   3:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add alub to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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creation of this monstrosity is, in the long run, a money loser.


Some make no sense in the short run:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/MALACK-766...AOSwSoNd2Thf

You could get the whole sheet, make 4 of these, for less than this single.
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Posted 12/21/2019   4:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add alub to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The philatelic "keep imperforates in at least pairs" law should be passed.


They still wreck large blocks to make "100J" pairs:






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Posted 12/21/2019   4:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sickening. People who do this should be staked out on an anthill.
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Posted 12/21/2019   6:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 12/21/2019   6:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think you're swimming against the tide, rogdcam.

I'm not looking for paper cuts across the eyeballs, but perhaps they could bill them for certifying nine stamps. Eight of 'em come back bad?



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Posted 12/21/2019   6:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think "monstrosity" sums it up pretty well.
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Posted 12/21/2019   6:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add alub to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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perhaps they could bill them for certifying nine stamps.


Especially when they do this:



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Posted 12/21/2019   7:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hardly swimming across the tide. Grading is harmless. "Creating" these jumbos is just plain nonsense. I have said before that if the PF, PSE, PSAG and others refused to grade these things it would stop. Anything for a buck. There must be a market for them or else it would not happen. So we need an anthill and tongue pliers for the grading agencies, the people that cut them up, the buyers, the auction houses that auction them (that includes Siegel), eBay, HipStamp, sundry dealers both small and large and so on.
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Posted 12/21/2019   7:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The graders, dealers, and auction houses are simply businesses catering to a clientele. It's that clientele that drive this; saying it's the others is just the tail wagging the dog.
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Posted 12/21/2019   7:24 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Be careful what you wish for...
I think that US personal property rights supersede the wishes of folks who think this is an ethical issue. If a person wants to light cigars with multiples they are have the right to; pretty sure that most folks do not want to live in a country which allows others to come into your house and confiscate your personal property based upon their beliefs.
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(For the record I also dislike and disagree with this practice. I just do not see a good resolution unless major organizations and/or benefactors would start a 'stamp conservancy' movement and started purchasing important material and locking it up into a permanent conservation holdings. Of course this effectively removes the material from ever again being owned by any collectors... )
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