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Posted 01/23/2020   06:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add nicos to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello
Please help about the stamp on the left as it looks different and I did not find information about it.
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Posted 01/23/2020   07:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One is Lithography and the other typography . Both very common of little value .
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Posted 01/23/2020   07:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nicos to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for replying . But there are other differences.
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Posted 01/23/2020   07:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Those are the differences - totally different printing method means different results

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Posted 01/23/2020   08:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi nicos,

The litho stamp on the left is a reprint with a machine-printed cancellation and as floortrader says these are very common.

However, it's fun trying to find the original litho stamps amongst the huge numbers of reprints.

The original litho set have the final "E" of "DEUTSCHE" over the letters "AT" rather than just over the "A" as here.

The typo originals and reprints share the same design with the "E" over the "A".
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Posted 01/23/2020   08:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For comparison, here are a few of the original litho set:
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Posted 01/23/2020   08:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jmdregs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, I learned something....good question and answers.
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Posted 01/23/2020   09:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nicos to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you guys.
You amaze me with your wonderful information!
Thank you
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Posted 01/23/2020   11:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add danstamps54 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here are the three versions of the stamp mentioned if you want to compare:



Litho, Reprint/CTO and Typo.

There are a number of differences.

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Posted 01/23/2020   6:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Germania to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The first stamp is actually offset printed. It's Michel 374. You can collect 4 versions, 2 watermark types and 2 Nachdruck (reprint from same plate) types.

The other stamp is typograph printed, Michel 417. It comes in 7 versions, 2 paper types, 3 watermark types and 2 Neudruck (reprint from a new plate) types.

As floortrader noted they are almost worthless, but they are an excellent collecting challenge.
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Posted 01/23/2020   7:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

You may wish to see the entire set (not including the reprints)
in order
Here, in Scott order on Steiner.
Assists in sorting the issues.
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Posted 01/23/2020   9:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add danstamps54 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I didn't think this discussion was going to get so deep in the weeds.

Germania is correct. The first stamp, Mi 374 has four versions, a 2XI and a 2XII watermark in original and reprint



And the second, a Mi 417, has seven versions. 2XI, 2XII and a 2YI on "gestreichenes papier" (I call it chalky) and a 2XI and 2XII on "gew§hnliches papier" (I call it normal) paper.

If you collect DDR at this level (I don't) some versions are hardly worthless. The 2015 Michel catalog lists the "postfrisch" (I call that MNH) versions of the 374XI (2XI wmk.) at 60 Euros, the 374XII (2XII wmk.) at 20 Euros. The reprints are 0.20 Euros each. The 417 "postfrisch" values are 417xXI (2XI wmk.) 15 Euros, 417xXII (2XII wmk.) at 6 Euros with reprints of 0.20 and 1 Euro each. The 417XYI (gestreichenes Papier) (2YI wmk.) is so scarce it doesn't have a Michel catalog value. The reprints are 0.20 and 1 Euro each. The 417YXI (2XI wmk.)(gewh÷hnliches Papier) lists for 22 Euros and the 417YXII (2XII wmk.) for 40 Euros.

Probably more than most would want to know about this stamp.

Dan


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Played with these for over 40 years! I still find them interesting! Still have many to go through, my favorites are postally used. When I retire they shall be enjoyed it seems!
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