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Small Queen Paper - What Is Pebbly?

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Posted 01/25/2020   09:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Lars714 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
While learning about the various paper groups in the SQ era, I note many times that the term pebbly is used. What does this actually mean? Is it the surface of the face side, to the touch or when the paper is viewed in front of a light (the weave of the paper)? Thanks - Chris
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Posted 01/25/2020   10:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Chris..Hope this helps...
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Posted 01/25/2020   10:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Try this link for an answer: https://www.dickblick.com/products/...bble-papers/

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Thank you for the link Petert4522. There is probably quite a difference in the papers DickBlick is selling and the pebbly papers used 150 years ago. If possible could someone post a scan or photo of this paper?
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Soak the stamp, press dry between quilted paper towels...bingo... pebbly paper.
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Posted 01/25/2020   12:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Lars714 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the info Robert. I had seen this and Shoemaker's data before, but still unable to be sure what the pebbly means. I think it pertains to the appearance of thin and thick portions of the wove paper giving a pebbly appearance with back lighting. Probably wrong though...
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That papers table should be attributed, not just scanned and reproduced.
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Pebbly refers to the stamp having a bumpy surface, looking somewhat unfinished, and showing the imparted mesh pattern of the papermaking roll. It is best seen with side lighting. If rein or Galeoptix is lurking, they will have a better description than I.
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I have a collection of SQ that was purchased intact (and had been originally labelled) using the Shoemaker crtieria.

It has an example labelled as "pebbly paper" as per the chart that Wert provided.

For clarification, it does indeed have a "pebbly/bumpy" feel/surface on the face side (smoother on the back).

It is unlike any other paper feel for the SQ.

Whether how it was dried had anything to do with it, I feel that it should be "pebbly" the back as well if that were the case. Also, they did not have modern paper towels back then (when this collection was put together) and would likely have used newspapers to dry them.
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This is an excerpt from a BNAPS Newsletter:

1875 of fine quality white wove with pebbly surface, rather stout structure which portrays a ribbed variety, often very similar to laid paper_ These papers of 1875 came from both Montrear and Ottawa

The full newsletter PDF:

http://www.bnaps.org/hhl/newsletter...-v003n01.pdf
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I am confused as to why the charts show SQ Kiusalas 64 (12.3 for 12.25) but not Kiusalas 65 (12.11) at all.

Are the following dates correct for the following perforations?
Kiusalas 68 (11.58) 1873-1882
Kiusalas 67 (11.75) 1858-1882
Kiusalas 66 (11.93) 1862-1967
Kiusalas 65 (12.11) 1863-1897
Kiusalas 64 (12.30) 1883-1895
Kiusalas 63 (12.50) 1870
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It has an example labelled as "pebbly paper" as per the chart that Wert provided.
For clarification, it does indeed have a "pebbly/bumpy" feel/surface on the face side (smoother on the back).

Could you please show your example, with what ever lighting technique works?
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I'll do my best. I'll do a scan and try a sidelight photo as well.

Give me a few days though.
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Posted 02/01/2020   11:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Lars714 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
thank you all for the replies.

I think the pebbly appearance may be generated by the wire mesh that a stamp sits on during the paper making process (Alex E Hutton - BNAPS Vol 57 No 1)

http://bnaps.org/hhl/Topics/BNA%20T...o.%20482.pdf

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Dandy rollers



In my opinion paper is (and was) a commodity with a lot of variance from one manufactured lot to another. The component ingredients of the paper slurry used to make the paper changed depending upon availability, seasons, the guy who mixed it, etc.

And 'reverse engineering' paper types after 100+ years on a stamp with completely unknown provenance can be an incredible challenge.
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Posted 02/01/2020   11:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Lars714 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great photos, Don! Thank you - clearly shows the wire mesh that would lead to the pebbled appearance. Appreciate it -

Chris
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