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2c Lake Placid 1932 Owg Stamp: Carmine Lake Variety

 
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Posted 02/01/2020   3:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Glenn Estus to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I'm in the process of revising my 1932 Lake Placid OWG exhibit and was re-reading judging comments from previous exhibitions. On the STAMP PRODUCTION page I have a copy of the carmine lake variety.

A judge said that I should tell more about the story of the carmine lake variety. I have searched for a number of years and have not been able to find why the Carmine Lake variety was printed (or any written references).

In the illustration, it's the stamp on the left

Can anyone point to references about this variety?
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Posted 02/01/2020   6:01 pm  Show Profile Check jogil's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Since carmine lake is a scarce color variety that is found on different U.S. stamps, it is most likely that information relating to other U.S. stamps about this color variety may also apply to them. See (page 11)

http://www.nwpl.org/documents/NPLBo...pril2011.pdf

https://www.linns.com/news/us-stamp...-expertizers
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Thanks, I also received information on the Stamp Collecting Forum which gives me a good start including your LSN reference and also a reference to the Bureau Speciliast (Feb. 1934)

I had searched the Bureau Specialist but I guess I didn't use the right search terms. This is a good start.

Even though I subscribe to Linn's Stamp News, I don't remember John Hotchner's article. Of course, at the time, I had other matters on my mind: I was facing a complete ileostomy due to a massive colon tumor, which has since been removed. Right now I have lots of time to work on my stamp hobby. Since September I've been in chemo. 9 sessions down and only 3 more to go. I have two exhibiting goals right now. Boxborough: FDCs of 1941 Vermont Statehood stamp and Hartford GASS, my Lake Placid collection and possibly the 1941 exhibit also.

BTW, take a careful look at the other (right hand) copy of the 2c Lake Placid stamp. I believe it's one of three examples in private hands. It's a small die proof. I was told by one judge I would never get a gold for my exhibit until I could show at LARGE die proof. I believe there are only two large die proofs in private ownership. Olympic philately is one of the most popular philatelic specialities.

Re: 1941 Vermont: I do have both a large and small die proof in the exhibit plus a strip of 3 sent to the UPU which the UPU sent to French West Africa. The strip of overprinted with a speciman overprints. (forgive me for bragging a little).

Agains, thanks very much.
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Here's to only 3 left and godspeed. It's not bragging when your sharing your passion of stamps with other collectors:)
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I was told by one judge I would never get a gold for my exhibit until I could show at LARGE die proof.

I was told by one judge I would never get a gold for my exhibit until I could show buy a LARGE die proof.

Fixed

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the word I used was "SHOW" not "BUY". Please don't assume that you know what I meant to write. Actually the word "AT" was meant to be "A". If I need editing I'll ask for it.
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No assumptions. It was a joke, did you not see the smiley face?

And it was not editing, editing would have been if I changed your post.
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The article "What's Up With the Color 'Lake?'" by Charles Neyhart on pages 11-16 is one of the best that I have read on it.

http://www.nwpl.org/documents/NPLBo...pril2011.pdf
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The article "What's Up With the Color 'Lake?'"


What a fabulous *.pdf.
Not only the colour Lake, but Christmas seals. etc.
Great studies.

I think I have finally crunched the colours Scarlet and Vermilion, I had trouble with those for years.

The Lac bug, from which the colour "lake" originated?
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The Lac bug, from which the colour "lake" originated?


I had no idea that that was the source! I am 58 years old, and about 50 years ago when I was starting out in this hobby, I always wondered why 'lake' wasn't a shade of blue. I guess one is never too old to learn something!!!!
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Exactly the reason I originally looked it up.
I thought Lake should have been blue

Nice colour, I like it a lot.

Etymology
The term "lake" is derived from the term lac, the secretions of the Indian wood insect Laccifer lacca (formerly known as the Coccus lacca). It has the same root as the word lacquer, and comes originally from the Hindi word lakh, through the Arabic word lakk and the Persian word lak.
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Love the color Lake. I always tried to describe my favorite color...the shade of red I adore. Well that little bug is it! My favorite color is lake (red).
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Posted 02/07/2020   11:36 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
how is carmine different from red?
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how is carmine different from red?


Red is a riddle, wrapped up in an enigma.
A noted Australian Philatelist, took 200,000 "1d reds" from Australia
and managed to find 40 or more shades?

Given that our moderator Don warns against colour differentiation via badly adjusted monitors, here is the Gibbons Colour chart for the reds and Carmine.
Take from it, what you wish.

Scarlet v Vermilion always beats me.

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My favorite red is Candy-Apple.
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