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Posted 02/23/2020   6:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add bigmel222 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have three stamps which I have identified as Modena #10, Schwerin #2 and Roman States #2. Am I correct and if so, are they real?
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Mel
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Posted 02/23/2020   7:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Greaden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Mecklenburg-Schwerin stamp passes the tests to exclude well-known forgeries. That is not a 100% guarantee that it is genuine.
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Posted 02/24/2020   12:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add restoman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Many of the details of the Modena stamp look correct, but it would help to see a larger image to know for sure.
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Posted 02/24/2020   01:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add restoman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a link to a used copy of Modena 10 (with certificate) currently for sale on HipStamp: https://www.hipstamp.com/listing/mo...ert/20698345

If you search HipStamp for "Modena 10", you can also see a forgery, offered as genuine, for $292.50. Obviously it is not worth that.

Some of the points to look for:
1. Genuine stamps have a period after the numeral of value.
2. On genuine stamps, the "C" of CENTS has a serif at the bottom.
3. On genuine stamps there are 5 vertical lines in each of the upper quadrants of the shield, and 6 vertical lines in each of the lower quadrants.
4. On genuine stamps, and some forgeries, the line under the value in the bottom panel does not connect to the squares at either corner.

All the stamps of Modena were forged multiple times, by different forgers, but my off-hand opinion is that yours is genuine. Congrats!
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Posted 02/24/2020   03:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Restoman, thanks for the explanation,
Makes for a good post. Appreciated.
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Posted 02/24/2020   09:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add restoman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You're welcome, Rod!
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Posted 02/24/2020   09:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bigmel222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks to all but especially Restoman. Great info and valuable link.
Mel
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Posted 02/24/2020   10:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add restoman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You're welcome, Mel!


My information comes from "The Serrane Guide", first published in 1927, but reprinted recently by APS. It is an amazing resource for identifying forgeries of the classic stamps.
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Posted 02/24/2020   3:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yikes! $800 Australian.........
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Posted 02/24/2020   4:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Greaden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If you can decipher French, you can read a scan of the original on the website of the French National Library:
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/b...ge.r=serrane

As for the German States stamps, my source is the forgery manual of the German Philatelic Society.
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Posted 02/24/2020   5:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add restoman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OMG!!!

Twenty years ago, if I had known what the Serrane Guide sells for today, I would have bought cartons of it instead of US commemoratives!

I could'a been RICH!!!
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APS reprinted the Serrane Guide with an English translation in the 1990's. It was serialized in the magazine over a period of years. If you are an APS member you can search and download those issues.

If the owner of the Schwerin stamp provides a sharp high definition image we may be able to provide more info.
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The Serrane Guide is open for download here
Internet Archive: Open Library

I am not aware of what requisites one needs to belong,
Only available to members.
https://openlibrary.org/books/OL838...errane_guide

UPDATE.
Appears I am a member, however the item (Serrane Guide) has been removed from service.

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Edited by rod222 - 02/24/2020 6:40 pm
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No, it's there. However, it is only available "for the print-disabled" download.


Hal
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Posted 02/25/2020   01:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you kindly Hal,
not sure what that means, but I'll give it another go.

Update:
Unable to access. I logged in, could not see any reference to "print disabled"
clicked "read" but no access.
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Edited by rod222 - 02/25/2020 01:32 am
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Posted 02/25/2020   08:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wkusau to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
FYI - Amazon has a copy of the serrane guide for $275 plus shipping.
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