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Cute France Efo What's A Fair Price?

 
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Posted 03/25/2020   11:05 pm  Show Profile Check KRelyea's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add KRelyea to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I found this in a collection and I have an offer of $50 for it. I looked in eBay and there was nothing similar is the $50 fair to both of us?

Thanks,

Ken


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Posted 03/26/2020   12:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mirman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
First time I see something like this. Even though I collect used only I think that would be a nice addition to my collection. I'd be willing to offer a little more than the $50.

Ken, are you planning on auctioning this stamp?
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Posted 03/26/2020   08:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You want an opinion ? There is a lot on eBay auction now :
https://www.ebay.fr/itm/FRANCE-VARI...AOSw1mZea0OW
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Posted 03/26/2020   09:01 am  Show Profile Check orstampman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add orstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
perf12 - on the eBay pair shown, there is a faint showing of the "missing" design, whereas for KRelyea's stamp, I see blank.
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Posted 03/26/2020   09:03 am  Show Profile Check KRelyea's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add KRelyea to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
When I search I only see eBay US, do you have a link for "Sold" examples?

Thanks,

Ken
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Posted 03/26/2020   09:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mirman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Perf 12. Maybe a little more common than I thought.

Question though: on the link that Perf 12 gives us, both copies show a faint impression of what should have been printed in red and I don't believe that shows on Ken's stamp. Would that make a difference in the value of Ken's stamp?
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Posted 03/26/2020   10:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add patrasf to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In auctions with a Auction house: 100-150.If is the ONLY ONE known then can go up, much more up.Collectors.I will sent an email to Corinphila Auktionen AG. If you are looking to max your price.
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Posted 03/26/2020   10:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There is a trace in the numerals..
With this stamp;the red ink resists very poorly against solvents ..
check with a UV light. Value ZERO


These are not considered varieties but printing defects range Blue/Red.


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Edited by perf12 - 03/26/2020 11:19 am
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Posted 03/26/2020   12:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mirman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your comments. So this stamp would have been altered by removing the red ink with a solvent of some kind as to make it pass as a missing color error.

Some day I might have to stop giving the benefit of the doubt. Point taken and lesson learned.

Thank you.
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Posted 03/26/2020   1:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The printing defect exists for real in different graduations as seen above.
The use of solvents would be in the case of manipulated stamps;
(forgeries, if you want).
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Posted 03/26/2020   3:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add No1philatelist to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The frameline on Kens stamp is broken in a couple places and the upper left corner looks like the paper was rubbed. As well there is a faint redish blob directly below the republic shield behind the ear.
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Posted 03/26/2020   10:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kshigawi to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is an image of the stamp in question with adjustments of levels & gamma
You can see the denomination & outline of the red hairline.
My vote is for chemical alteration


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Posted 03/27/2020   10:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This stamp printed without red is Maury 1282b.
That means ,NO red at all.
The majority on the market are manipulations.
The rare types are very shifted red/rose in the printings.These can sell for well over 500 euros in auctions.
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