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Germany Saxony Is This A Postal Stationery Cut Square?

 
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Posted 03/28/2020   11:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add backroads to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
My first thought is that this item was a cut square from an old collection. It is on very stiff, thick paper though not what I would call card. It is embossed. It had a gridded cancel similar to other postage with the central number 15 in the cancel.

What actually threw me a bit is that the back of the stamp is gummed. Some disturbance, obviously, since it is used, but the entire back was gummed. Then, when I compared the face value to other issues, it seems to be a relatively high denomination stamp and not what you usually find on postal stationery. Can someone with a specialized catalogue please enlighten me?
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Posted 03/28/2020   12:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You might be correct that it is a cut-out. It looks like one from ca. 1863. If anyone has a Michel Ganzsachen Katalog for Germany, try Mi. nr. 24.
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Posted 03/28/2020   1:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As vayolene illustrates, the item in question is a postal stationery cutout. It is cut from either Michel #U19, or U24, depending on the envelope flap configuration.

Generally, postal stationery cutouts are not collected by Germany specialists, because the specific item can't be identified in many cases because of varying envelope specifications.

In the case of Saxony, however, the cutouts can be collectible, because they had franking power.

Michel says this, "All cutouts of the envelopes could be used as franking stamps after the announcement of 1 July, 1859. The prices are only valid for pieces with the cancel on the envelope."

So, if this item were on the envelope piece with the cancel tying it, it would catalog at 2000 euros. If it were just the round indica cutout tied to the clipping, the catalog value would be 1500 euros.

And, if pigs had wings, they could conceivably fly.
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Posted 03/31/2020   12:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add backroads to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And I thank you both for the help. Looks like the gum remnants on the reverse is either from someone gluing it into an old collection or someone affixing it to an envelope many, many years ago. In any case, I can clean it up and add it as a curiosity. Worth, of course, 1500 Euros. One of those winged pigs just flew past my window.
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Posted 04/28/2020   08:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add idatz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
the information is not complete because there are errors in understanding the MICHEL postall stationery catalog germany.

your item is a cut square of saxony U19 or U24 (catalog value: worthless); named GAA without a sequence number.

only cut out is priced in the catalog as GAA15 (catalog value: cut to shape or round 1500 euro and cut rectangular 2000 euro); IMPORTANT: cut out means a cut square on a card/letter or a part of it AND cancellation passing over on both the cut square and card/letter or a part of it (for example eBay.de article 163416410676) named GAA with a sequence number.
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Posted 04/29/2020   09:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add EMaxim to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, idatz. Very helpful.
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