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Acsc 182cb 1d Green Queen Elizabeth "White Face"

 
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Posted 04/02/2020   09:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add itma to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have what I hope is a "white face" shown on the left below alongside a normal example. Does this one qualify?

When seen with a normal with the naked eye, the difference is much more striking. There was an example shown on Stampboards recently where the face, although keeping all detail, is a lighter shade of green. Its outer frame is also also more broken up. Would I be correct in saying that there is a range of shades where the ink striping may be less or more severe?
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Posted 04/02/2020   11:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob041256 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like a "white face". And you may be referring to this one, and yes, there are various degrees of ink stripping.



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Posted 04/02/2020   11:47 am  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is this a constant plate issue, an inking issue, or something else?
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Posted 04/02/2020   12:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob041256 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The ink stripping is when the doctor blade removes too much ink from the face of the stamp, either from ink sticking to the blade or there is not enough ink applied to the plate causing the blade to remove what little there is.
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Thanks, Rob, your help is much appreciated. Here is the image I saw on Stampboards posted 11 October 2016 by "castores". The ink is really sparse down the left frame.

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Posted 04/02/2020   4:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Itma, that stamp looks like someone tried to wash the cancel off.

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I've just found another possible example, this time in a horizontal pair. is it possible that the effect on a sheet as a whole increases from right to left. In this pair, I would say it is more pronounced on the left stamp, compared to the right. Also the Stampboards example fade from right to left.

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Posted 04/02/2020   4:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add itma to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Peter:

I would say not. If that had been the case, I would not have expected the general grubbiness of the stamp to persist.

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I only have one of the Elizabeth "white face" varieties and a few of the KGVI varieties, one so severe that the face is nearly unrecognizable.

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Frank,
never come across that before, is it possible to lift the info from BW for me,
so I can look at my duplication?

For perhaps new collectors of Australia, the Sc# 167 - Sc#180
difference when sorting.
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Belay the last request, Frank.
Have it in my 1989 BW (Catalogue Number #3986)

As BW#45
Does not indicate how to recognise "white face" or "colour flaw on face"

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Rod:

There is very little in ACSC, not even an illustration. It just lists the variety as 182cb with a note that it is caused by ink stripping which Rob has explained. The effect is across the whole stamp but is most evident, particularly the face, when it is held at, say, arm's length so that the engraving lines are not so evident individually. As it is an ink shortage, it is most noticeable in the areas of lesser engraving, I.e. the right side of the Queen's face. One thing found out today: the effect can be there to a greater or lesser degree.

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Posted 04/02/2020   10:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Cheers Frank, shall peruse my duplicates.
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