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Posted 03/10/2022   12:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cupram to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Two blocks stamps MiNr 39II and 41II , German Allied Occupation (Bizone) issued 1948 with plate flaw AF PI.
AF PI - the posthorn loop is deformed and the distances between posthorns on the top and bottom row are increased.
I didn't get a good translation and any clarification is welcome. (how to translate "Markenreiche"?)








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Posted 03/10/2022   12:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Germania to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
cupram, what reference are you using? My 2014 Michel does not mention an AF PI flaw. And I am not sure what you are pointing to. But the second posthorn in the 9th row has a flaw. Michel denotes that as II.2, "verzerrte" or distorted and there are several on a sheet of stamps. Maybe you mean "Markenreihe"? which translates to stamp row.
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Posted 03/10/2022   4:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cupram to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Germania, I'm sorry about the picture, taken by lamplight.
I think Markenreiche = row is correct.Plate flaw shown are on row 1.
I use Michel specialized 2019

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Posted 03/10/2022   5:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Germania, the picture of Cupram above does show the word "Markenreiche" which does not seem to make any sense. Maybe that is a mistake in the Michel?


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Posted 03/10/2022   5:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cupram to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Block of 4 stamps MiNr 38 I.(Bizone)
On the side edge appears the number 7, which Michel calls DZ (druckerzeichen = printer's mark)
The catalogue does not show the number 7 in positive format.
Does anyone have additional information or is there a mistake in this catalogue edition?



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Posted 03/10/2022   6:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Germania to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's is definitely "Markenreihe". Michel has a typo. It looks like your newer catalog has changed the designations for the PF's. Time for a new catalog!

I am fairly certain your sideways 7 is a Druckerzeichen. Maybe someone else can verify that or not?

Having done more research I believe the sideways 7 is a Gruppenpaarnummer, not a Druckerzeichen, as defined by Michel.
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Posted 03/11/2022   12:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cupram to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Germania-it's most definitely DZ.
It is mentioned in the catalogue that DZ can be found in the side of the 1/11, 10/20, 81/91 or 90/100 fields.
I have another block with 2 negatives (this one is in the catalogue)

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Posted 03/11/2022   2:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hornet785 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

@cupram, overprint flaws I understand.

For the DZ it is A II c, 7 positive. Positive and Negative exist for the 7.

DZ found on 2, 6, 8, 10, 12, 16, 24, 25 Pfg

Positive only 1 and 7

Negative 1 to 8

A - Upper left side of the sheet

II - Beside position 1 or 11

c - Below the perforation between position 1 and 11

Here three examples of negative on Nr.946 and Nr.947

After that back to Plate flaws

AIa



AIIc



AIIb

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Posted 03/12/2022   03:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cupram to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you hornet 785.
Not sure if the overprint of 8 Pf is genuine (waiting for a reply on another site)
The fact that for the original 8pf stamp (Mi 945) DZ 7 positive appears and for the 8 Pf with overprint it does not, leads me to 2 conclusions:
-catalogue error or
- false overprint applied on a wrong sheet.
Excuse me for developing this discussion in the "plate flaws" thread but I think this is the place where I can get a professional answer from German stamp collectors.
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Posted 04/16/2022   6:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is another plate flaw from the Berlin Youth Vacation charity issue of September 15, 1959. This one is on the 20 + 10 (pf) value, and like the previous ones shown on page 14 of this thread, it is listed in the Schantl catalog, but not by Michel. Plate flaw is a series of arcing brown dots near the girl's arm, "field 33, pane with the form number 2, part of the printing".


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Posted 04/16/2022   6:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hornet785 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi bookbndrbob,

Very nice. I really like this serie from Berlin.

Hornet
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Posted 04/22/2022   4:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks hornet. There are lots of printing mistakes to be found on this series, maybe a few are plate flaws.

Here is one more detail on the PF. The Schantl catalog illustration shows a brown dot and several other almost imperceptible "connecting" specks closer to the arm (the long brown streak) which appear to be part of the plate flaw. My PF stamp also has these, and none of my other examples of this stamp has them.

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Posted 04/24/2022   08:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hornet785 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi bookbndrbob,

It is really Mi.Nr.195 II.

Salutations
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Posted 04/27/2022   6:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again hornet. I guess I need to get a newer Deutschland-Spezial part II catalog.

Here is a recent find. It is the 100 pf value of the November 6, 1990 1st Anniversary of the Opening of the Berlin Wall. The Schantl catalog says "two white flecks in the blue by the left column, field 23, part of the printing, pane with the form number 1." This is the sheet stamp, not the one in the souvenir sheet.


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Posted 04/29/2022   5:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hornet785 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

Two more of the same stamp which are PF II and III. Position 34 and 43 respectively.

Hornet


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