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Swiss Dove Stamp, Genuine Or Not?

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Posted 04/28/2020   8:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add pedro_aa to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I bought a very advanced Switzerland stamp collection and on the early cantonal stamps there was this classic Basel dove stamp. I would like to have an expert opinion if it is genuine?
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Posted 04/28/2020   9:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add danko to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
To get an expert's opinion the stamp needs to be expertised. Until it is expertised, in the back of your mind you will always think that it may be genuine, even if 10 people here will tell you otherwise. The only other option is to become an expert in the area yourself.

Sorry, cannot say anything about the stamp.
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Posted 04/28/2020   11:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add j2186 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm no expert, but a book I have entitled "Distinguishing Characteristics of Classic Stamps" gives a detailed list of characteristics of genuine stamps.

Your stamp differs substantially from the diagram in several ways. For example there should be a dash between POST and BASEL. I suspect your stamp is probably a forgery.

Jan
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Posted 04/28/2020   11:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Genuine and forged doves are illustrated here:
http://stampforgeries.com/forged-stamps-of-basel/
Many forgeries still have considerable value to collectors.
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Posted 04/29/2020   12:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I watched an auction on 21st September 2014 with an identical print to yours.
(Excepting had the top cut off)
It was advertised as RRRR genuine $19,000
It had 11 bids by the time I nodded off, reaching $25
Unaware of the final price.
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Edited by rod222 - 04/29/2020 12:07 am
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Posted 04/29/2020   4:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rdavid to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Might it be a proof? My Scott says proofs of this stamp are black, vermillion and green. Value, $6000 (2013 Classic catalog)
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Posted 04/29/2020   4:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rdavid to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, wrong ID.
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Posted 04/29/2020   7:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If I say it is fake ,then I can back it up ,because I collect the Swiss Cantonal Administration stamps . I find it insulting for someone to say the opinions here are not expert quality . especially if the expert/collector is not a keyboard expert- internet searcher .
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Posted 04/29/2020   7:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There are all kinds of things wrong with your stamp that is not on the original or different then the real stamp .
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Edited by floortrader - 04/29/2020 10:16 pm
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Posted 04/29/2020   11:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add danko to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
floortrader

I did not intend to insult anybody, or to say that the people who are provide their opinion on this site are no experts.

I've been here long enough to know how knowledgeable you and many other folks here are, and truly respect and appreciate everybody help and advise.

However, most people asking for expert advise do not know the level of expertise of the person responding, and frankly many fakes cannot be identified by the scan alone.

I'm just trying to save this person from doubts, and promote stamp expertising.
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Posted 04/30/2020   12:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It would be useful and informative if Floortrader could show what the differences are.
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Posted 04/30/2020   11:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is a forgery type of the Trial print or Proof (In the light grey green shade).Numerous différences in the wings, ornaments;wide ornament in B (forgery).The basic différences below:(OP stamp in the center).

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Posted 04/30/2020   12:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you perf12!
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Posted 04/30/2020   1:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add EMaxim to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bravo perf12!

pedro aa: You see here the quality of help that you can get on this forum.
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Posted 04/30/2020   3:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A expert has the material in front of them ,not taking someone's pictures off the internet .....
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Posted 04/30/2020   7:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pedro_aa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you so much for all the help!
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