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stanshepp
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Posted 01/19/2023   6:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stanshepp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hey all,

One of the problems with collecting these plated specimens is putting too much faith in the "experts".

This example shared here is certified by PSE (No. 01418683 12/6/22)
"Scott #11A 1853-1855 3c Dull Red XF-90"
"It s genuine used, with a red cancel and light overall sulphurization."

I saw it on HipStamp and I made a 2/3 offer and the seller accepted it. Sweet!

It arrived today, and I am supposed to be working, but I scanned it in and checked the back -
No evidence of it having been plated previously recorded on the back. Hmmm.

The scales has WORK on one side and PLATE on the other. Since I am still here, you know which side won.

It has to be a left most column of the left side of a plate - right? Right?!?

So I go through the routine -
B-relief. One line recut UL Triangle. One line recut LR Triangle
Guide Dot LR, Guide Dot LL.
Scott #11 - so plates 1L, 2L, 3, 5L -

7 Stamps to choose from - Sweet!
Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. <head scratching commences>

Let's check the Orange Brown sheets - "14 Stamps Meet Your Plating Wizard Criteria" Still pretty sweet!
Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. WHAT!?!

41R0? Right Pane!?! Scott #10A!?! But it is CERTIFIED!! And it must be from the left pane.

I check Chase, he says the centerline on plate 0 is 3.25mm from the edge of the stamp design on either pane.
I check my stamp - the margin is 3.24mm. Right pane. Who woulda thunk.

Anyway - I much more enjoy finding #10's that are described as #11's, than vice versa.

It is a position that I am missing. I only have 20 stamps from the right pane of Plate 0.

The more that I thought about it, I thought - I'd better check with the *REAL* Experts.
The ones who plate three cent Washington stamps because they want to, not because its their job.

So here you go. I think I bought an
XF-90 Scott #10A, Position 41R0
that has a PSE cert stating that it is a
XF-90 Scott #11A, in a lightly sulphurized Dull Red.

Your comments and opinions are encourage - especially if you agree with me.
Your comments are needed if you disagree with me.

Stan Shepp

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mootermutt987
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Posted 01/19/2023   10:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mootermutt987 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
NIce snag, Stan!

This has so much going for it, as far as plating is concerned. Guide dots, sheet mergin, lines recut in UL and LR triangles, and if none of that can pin it down, the inner lines are both all 'wiggly' compared to their outer lines.

I always like to find 10's advertised as 11's, too. The impression on this is so sharp that I might have taken a chance on it if I had seen it. Mark it carefully on the back so that its '10-ness' never gets forgotten again. I wonder if it was turned in to PSE as a 10A and got turned down for that, or if it was turned in as an 11A, just for the grade. Those are some lovely margins for your 10A!!! The called out the color on the cert as being a bit wonky, and I would agree. They just got the 'base color' wrong.

I am surprised no one has plated this before now!
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Harper1249
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Posted 01/19/2023   10:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Harper1249 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Im not an expert but I agree with 41R0. Kind of makes you think they went with just the color when classifying it as an 11A. The recuts and guide dots on this stamp lead you to 41R0 pretty quick. Very nice specimen. I wish you would stop finding all the good ones though and leave a few for us to find.

Regards
Harper1249
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stanshepp
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Posted 01/20/2023   12:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stanshepp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Mootermutt,
I'm surprised no one had plated it - especially at PSE.

How do you expertize a stamp like this and not take 5 minutes to get a fresh cup of coffee and plate it?

Harper1249,
It really is a beautiful stamp for $100. Seller was asking $150. I made an offer. I didn't expect this good of a deal. I thought that I was paying full SMQ.

PS: As I looked through Siegel's power search, I think this is undergraded.

Stan Shepp
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stampcrow
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Posted 01/21/2023   5:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Putting together a "stampcrow" page of NY cancels on the 3c stamps.
Haven't created any labels yet because they're a couple cancels I would like to add and I'm not sure what the final layout will be.

The cover is included because I don't have the 1853 cancel off cover and likely won't find one at a stampcrow price.

Suggestions welcomed.


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Harper1249
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Posted 01/22/2023   1:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Harper1249 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice grouping StampCrow. I always like when there is a complete example of the cancel next to the stamp. Look forward to seeing your final product.

Regards,
Harper1249

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stampcrow
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Posted 01/22/2023   3:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Harper1249, that is a great suggestion. I'll have to move things around. I'm going to put some thought into it this evening while watching football.
Thanks
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stanshepp
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Posted 01/24/2023   7:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stanshepp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sharing today -

Position 95L1L - 5 Lines recut in the UL Triangle
This example is apparently the finest 4-margin example in the Experimental Orange Brown shade.

Accompanied by a color printout of a letter from Amonette -
"It took me years to find a 5 line recut in the Exp. O.B. and I've only seen 2 copies, the other one I have on cover is not 4 margins.
* * * * * I'll cut the pair if you decide to use the single in your exhibit as I can use the 94L1L. I doubt that another one will come along as nice as this one."

I like how the 5 lines are so crisp and clear on this example.

Very rare position, in a very rare shade, in phenomenal condition.

Stan Shepp

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stanshepp
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Posted 01/24/2023   8:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stanshepp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sharing,

Not often seen - Philadelphia Red Carrier Star - on a cover with a 3c Washington - Position 3L3.

If you know much about these carrier markings, feel free to share.

Thanks!

Stan Shepp
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stampcrow
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Posted 01/27/2023   11:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have this Winchester, Illinois cover with a 3c 1851-57 stamp that has a red line similar to the Providence, R.I. control marked 3c stamps that Dr. Charles DiComo has written about. I've corresponded with him about the Winchester stamp and he has not seen another one. As it stands now this is just a random red line on a stamp.
I'm posting it here on the chance that someone has seen one or might come across one in the future. Thanks


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stanshepp
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Posted 01/30/2023   9:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stanshepp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sharing today -

Unplated, used pile of (3) Scott #10's used during the first two weeks of issue. Blue, "JUL 12 (1851) PHILADELPHIA PA." CDS and multiple matching obliterators - small, 8-bar circular cancel.

Used on the twelfth day of issue - only one plate was being used that early. These stamps must be from plate 1 EARLY.

Dr. Chase says this about the intermediate state of Plate 1:
"PLATE 1 (INTERMEDIATE)
"This state of the plate came into use about the middle of July, 1851, the earliest date of use seen of a stamp from the intermediate state being July 13, 1851."

That would be tomorrow for this little piece. Plate 5E, 2E and 0 all came later in July and August of 1851.

I may (or may not) work on plating these.

Either way, they make a pretty cool little pile of philately.

Enjoy!
Stan Shepp



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stanshepp
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Posted 01/30/2023   9:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stanshepp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sharing a rare "Name of Boat" Marking on a #10A

Simpson says Rarity 9 (in 1979) "Extremely Rare 2-3 known".

This auction listing says 4 known.
And, I believe, it is also the only one with the additional red "WAY 1" marking.

Although there is no date on the front, I am going to include this in my dated #10/A collection.
It is my collection and I will collect how I want. #128578;


"Steamer Magnolia (Milgram 838), red flower-shaped handstamp at top left, bold "WAY 1" handstamp at center, on folded letter franked by Scott #10A with huge margins to in and tied by bold 7-bar grid cancel, addressed to "Wall & deSaulles" of New Orleans, datelined "Rodney (Mississippi) 19 Sept. 1851", business contents, horizontal file fold through address, otherwise fine to very fine, we know of only four examples of this very scarce marking -- this cover, a similar cover in awful condition (offered as part of a group in the upcoming collections sale), a cover franked with #26 ex Hugh Feldman and John Hill Jr. that sold in 2014 for $4,750 hammer (the last one to appear on the market) and a stampless cover pictured on page 447 of Dr. James Milgram's book "Vessel-Named Markings on United States Inland and Ocean Waterways 1810-1890", Privately owned vessels transported mail between New Orleans and towns along the Mississippi River. The New Orleans postmaster required the ships to stamp the envelopes with the name of the ship on incoming mail. These were treated as Way letters at an additional charge of 1¢, ex-Lippman."

Enjoy!
Stan Shepp




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rlsny
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A rather nice type IV, recut top and bottom. Bottom design more complete than many. Double transfer apparently. Anyone want to give me a head start on plating? Thanks!


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Another huge stamp. This one I'm pretty sure is 7R1L - am I right?



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dudley
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Correct, rlsny!
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