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1841 Penny Red Plate Number

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Posted 05/22/2020   05:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add minder1946 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have been asked a question regarding the plate number of a 1841 Penny Red imperforated Stamp I'm currently selling on Declampe and Hipstamp (see image). Could someone help me please and give me some help in identifying the plate number.


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Posted 05/22/2020   10:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Maiden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like 123 to me, but my screen resolution on the laptop is not that great.
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Posted 05/22/2020   8:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add minder1946 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What is your answer based on?
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Posted 05/22/2020   9:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Maiden.

minder1946, please see the following link:

http://cdn.collectionsbase.org.uk/g...R018_04o.jpg

Plating is based on the position of the check letters in their boxes and the different alphabets used.

The 16th edition of the GB QV specialised values a plate 123 at 38

Hope this helps
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Posted 05/22/2020   10:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add minder1946 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Dear Bobby,

I have a lot more Penny Browns and few penny blacks, is they any way you could seen me a scan of the relevant pages of the GB QV specialized cat with the details of the plate numbers?

Would greatly appreciate it
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Posted 05/22/2020   10:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add minder1946 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have just noticed that I have attached the wrong scan, although the one originally shown is one of the others I have.
Have attached the correct scan
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Posted 05/23/2020   02:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi minder1946

The catalogue I mentioned can't be reliably used for plating 1d blacks or 1d reds.

The two websites you will need are:

http://www.gbps.org.uk/information/...tion-sheets/

and

http://www.maltesex.com/missing_imprimatur/

Even between these two sites, not every stamp is covered.

For the first website, follow the links on the left side of the page.

For your OG stamp, I think it's plate 58, but would welcome Maiden's input. Cat.value 40
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Posted 05/23/2020   07:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Maiden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That one is not so easy without the original and a magnifier I'd hedge toward 83,88 183 or 188, but cant really tell for sure
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Posted 05/23/2020   7:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Maiden,

I had a look at the registration sheets and I'm not sure the stamp is from any of the four plates you mentioned. The position of the O didn't match, to my eyes at least.
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Posted 05/24/2020   05:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Maiden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've taken another look, and I think you were right with plate 58 Bobby de to the 'O' position.

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Posted 09/19/2022   7:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add azstampguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have one I could use help with. Just getting into the area. I think it is Alphabet A. It looks like there is a break on the E in "One" and a white fleck by the "O" of "One" as well, but I could not find an example of this in the SP Spec Catalog.
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Posted 09/19/2022   8:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi azstampguy,

Yours looks like a plate 69 to my eyes.
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Edited by Bobby De La Rue - 09/19/2022 8:56 pm
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Posted 09/20/2022   01:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add azstampguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
May I ask what brings you to that assumption
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Posted 09/20/2022   02:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is it IC or IG? It looks like IG to me.

Much of the horizontal stroke of the bottom loop to the G is weak and the downward stroke is almost missing. The imprimature for plate 69 shows the I in IG very high.
If it is IC, the bottom loop is very short. The imprimature shows it long.

@azstampguy

You can compare your example with those in the imprimatur sheets.
https://www.gbps.org.uk/information...phabet-I.php

Edit:
If it is IG, the I disqualiffies it as plate 69.
If it is IC, the bottom loop of the C looks quite different from that in the imprimature of plate 69. I also have my doubts about the break in the E that appears more pronounced in the imprimature. I would expect it to become more pronounced on an issued stamp, unless the plate was repaired. Consequently, I doubt it is plate 69.
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Posted 09/20/2022   02:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Yours looks like a plate 69 to my eyes.

IC

Gets my vote.
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Posted 09/20/2022   03:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add azstampguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is most definitely IC
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